One spot I am struggling with is playing OOP as the 3better. I find myself making a 1/3 PSB on most flops and a 2/3 PSB on very wet flops, however I almost never check when I 3! OOP.

Here is an example where I find myself making a typical c-bet. Turning some equity so I barrel again. And then being stuck on the river deciding if I want to triple barrel.

Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 125.5 BB
Hero (SB): 276.7 BB
BB: 135.1 BB
UTG: 140.1 BB
MP: 101 BB
CO: 135.6 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop : (29 BB, 2 players) K 4 7
Hero bets 9.6 BB, BTN calls 9.6 BB

Turn : (48.2 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 16 BB, BTN calls 16 BB

River : (80.2 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero ?

I block some of his Kx here and with my small flop and turn sizing I think he can have a lot of under pairs here which will fold to a decent sized bet.

I don't want to talk myself into a bad triple barrel. Thoughts?

If anyone could solve for this situation I am curious which hands should check back the turn.

Think of the hands you want to triple barrel for value here: KK (3 combos), AK (12 combos), AA (6 combos), 99 (3 combos). I feel like that is a fairly conservative range, and you have 24 combos of value. As you have roughly a psb left behind, you should be aiming for about 12 combos of bluffs. Assuming you take this line up to the turn with all your QJs/QTs/JTs, and you give up river with the hearts, you have 9 combos of bluffs, so you can even add a few more other ones. Or, even being more conservative with the value and removing 6 combos (as you may not have 99, or you may choose to slowplay some), you can still easily fire the river as a bluff with all your QJs/QTs/JTs (that don't have a heart).

Dunno what the solvers say, but if you have some river bluffs with good blockers (to KQ/KJ/KT here), you unblock draws which would fold river (hearts), you have a fairly sizeable value range, and a proportional range of natural bluffs, you won't be going too badly wrong by firing off the third barrel.

I have the same issue and I'm curious to see what other people say.

In this particular case, why are you 3 betting so big pre? It seems like 9bb vs a button open is plenty. Maybe 12? Regardless, this is a perfectly reasonable 3 bet spot.

I am definitely cbetting this with almost entire range, that seems fine.

I also like second barrelling when you pick up the gutter.

On river, I really struggle here. I mean, the guy called a 3 bet, and then called two barrels on a dry board. I don't expect him to fold much, he is saying he has a King or better to me. On the other hand, we can't possibly have the best hand here so if we give up on river, we lose every time.

I have found myself 3 barrelling in this exact spot a couple times lately and it feels really spewy, even the odd time when it works. I think we should just take the loss on the river here.

I guess I thought 5x was standard sizing OOP. Maybe I need to reevaluate that sizing. This particular hand is nice as it does block some Kx. I find myself here occationally with A high and I am not sure if I should barrel that as well. I'm guessing A high can x/f x/c the turn.

I usually go a bit smaller pre, like 11-12 BBs. You should 3b alot pre here, which make sizing too big awkward.

I would decide on turn if my plan is to 3 barrel or not. If you decide that you are gonna give up on blank rivers, I think you should size up turn to like 30 BBs to maximize F. E. then and there. As you go small on turn, you pretty much gotta fire river.

Idk, I usually just give up on this runout (and go larger on turn) but not sure that is right.

Also, even if I plan to 3 barrel, I usually go larger on turn. If you go like 22 BBs pot will be 92 and you will have 80 left, so you still have FE.

+1 to going smaller preflop.

I've actually been doing a decent amount of studying SBvBTN because it's a spot I also feel I am a little weak at overall.


Flop and turn sizings are perfect, and this combo of QJs is barreled most often on the turn, likely due to unblocking any FD and BDFD.

River, we can ship all combos of QJs that we have.

We can bet bigger for range on this board since K high rainbow boards are the best kind of boards for your range.

This is a perfect triple candidate since we unblock floats and block his strongest Kx.

Interesting that JTs seems to prefer a check here while the QJs and QTs combos prefer a larger bet.

T sizing is most likely too small. FE is non existent and might induce raises.

You don’t think he folds 88, or AT-AQs with Blackdoor flush to that size on the turn, I like the turn size.

I'm almost certain we want to go bigger than 3x here

I Personally 3b 3x IP and 4x OOP. So 12bb in this case is plenty.

Vs 3x oR we want to go around 12 as our SB 3! Range is super linear (unlike BB where we can size up more than 4x) against 2.5x oR I'm going 11 but some hs crushers go 10bb

We can RB (range bet) on this texture and as another eluded to also size up if we want... 0.5p RB is interesting but I'd just go 0.3p

OTT - as another eluded to the cc combo is nut one when we have entire range and unblock FD/BDFD floats.

I don't mind turn sizing and we can mix between this sizing and a larger sizing I'd imagine at equilibrium. He'll have lots of Ahi BDFD/BDSD type holdings that have to autofold as well as lots of underpairs we make indifferent vs this sizing.

OTR- I'd work this spot as another said just fire all our QJ, JT, QT w/o FD and try get close to pseudo-indifference but there is the problem of all our TURNED FD Barrels (esp if range composition pre has decent freq' of SC'S (Suited Connecter) in.

We could barrel our NFD's OTT and Xb (checkback) OTR and have some modicum of SDV vs his weaker flushes and some GS's I suppose.

His range OTR will depend on how many underpairs he double peels vs bb (blockbet) OTT but his range is heavily KQ/KJ (possibly even some nitty AK that convoluted the spot pre vs larger 3b sizing)

We're just targeting his Kx here and depending if he fast plays bottom 2 sets always OTF (which isn't unrealistic on the Kx flop where he's looking to extract lots of value from AK) he is in a tough spot vs a triple where we have inf value and he's pretty capped to weaker TP's.

Imo we really wanna focus on indifference OTR in a spot where villain is super capped and we have inf value. The turn barrel heuristic is a cool one to develop and make or breaks the hand imo

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Not sure I understand the turn sizing. Are you betting QQ for value here? My default is polarize and roughly geometric turn/river (30-32 bb turn).

Lower SPR typically means we want to bet smaller on the turn.

AP, a river shove would mean villain has to call 85bb to win about 250bb

If we bet 32bb on the turn, and shove the river, he only has to call like 70bb. That's a pretty big difference, and when we bet larger on the turn, it narrows his calling range to mostly hands that aren't going to fold the river as often.

I like the turn sizing if we are planning to barrel lots of river cards. If we intend to fire twice and give up then we should go larger to maximise FE.