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01-26-2014 , 05:26 PM

ascannerdarkly

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Villian was 54/18 pfr from btn was 43%. Fold to 3b:0. is raise is rather large. I think jamming for me was a mistake. even tho if i call his raise im pretty committed anyway. I can see him raising Ax, 54,44,55,hearts,67,air. Looking back his raise is rather large and usally a fish wont go super big with air or a draw.... so idk what u think is the correct play for me.

Merge, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22740201

BTN: $12.51 (312.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $4 (100 bb)
BB: $8.77 (219.2 bb)
MP: $3.70 (92.5 bb)
CO: $4 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

MP folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.32, BB folds, CO calls $0.28, BTN calls $0.24

Flop: ($1) 5

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.66, CO folds, BTN raises to $2.20, Hero raises to $3.68 and is all-in, BTN calls $1.48

Turn: ($8.36) 5

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($8.36) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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01-26-2014 , 05:51 PM

Ohhesdamned

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01-26-2014 , 05:58 PM

abc247

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Not looking at results yet, you say he is a fish but don't explain how. From his stats, it looks like his mistake is calling too often as compared to raising. He raised pre and is now raising very big on the flop. I would be wary with my AQ here.

We beat A2, A3, A6-AJ. 66-KK
We split with AQ
We lose to AK, AA, 55,44, A4, A5

Given his raise on flop, I think we can discount anything below AJ with aces and anything below JJ+ for the pairs.

So really

we beat AJ, JJ-AA
we tie with AQ
and we lose to AK, AA, 55,44, A4, A5

We have 46.93% equity vs that range.

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01-26-2014 , 06:00 PM

VantACoo-key?

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Stacking this all day

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01-26-2014 , 06:44 PM

cheltNAM

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01-26-2014 , 06:58 PM

TH_Poker

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Originally Posted by ascannerdarkly

Villian was 54/18 pfr from btn was 43%. Fold to 3b:0. is raise is rather large. I think jamming for me was a mistake. even tho if i call his raise im pretty committed anyway. I can see him raising Ax, 54,44,55,hearts,67,air. Looking back his raise is rather large and usally a fish wont go super big with air or a draw.... so idk what u think is the correct play for me.

Stats seem fishy BUT: look at the stack size, too - I would be cautious to get it in vs someone who has 300+ bb with top pair ok kicker

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01-26-2014 , 07:56 PM

verneer

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Super standard.

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01-26-2014 , 08:02 PM

Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by abc247

He actually raises a decent percentage of hands. So he's not entirely passive. He will however be making a ton of bad preflop calls to make this a good 3bet.

We can assume he gets AK and AA in pre a reasonable amount, and then he'll have enough worse Ax and spew to make this flop a very standard stack off.

Nh.

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01-26-2014 , 08:07 PM

lumileijona

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Originally Posted by TH_Poker

Stats seem fishy BUT: look at the stack size, too - I would be cautious to get it in vs someone who has 300+ bb with top pair ok kicker

Why? What does his stack size have to do with anything. We are 100bb deep.
Or do you mean that since he has 300bb it's less likely he is a fish. Fish play high variance game and when you see somebody w 300bb+ stack it in fact makes it somewhat more likely that they are a fish compared to 150bb let alone 100bb stack (100bb means in all probability auto top up is on).

Besides it's a clear stack off spot in bet pot against anyone in 3 way 3 bet pot on A,rag,rag 100bb deep. Ok maybe not some 8/5 guy but nobody is 3 betting them w AQ to start with. We 3 bet our AQ for value and got the perfect flop. What else can you hope for?

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01-27-2014 , 04:05 AM

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TH_Poker

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Originally Posted by lumileijona

Why? What does his stack size have to do with anything. We are 100bb deep.
Or do you mean that since he has 300bb it's less likely he is a fish.

This is what I mean

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Originally Posted by lumileijona

Fish play high variance game and when you see somebody w 300bb+ stack it in fact makes it somewhat more likely that they are a fish compared to 150bb let alone 100bb stack (100bb means in all probability auto top up is on).

this is just trolling

As played seems fine vs fish...

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01-27-2014 , 04:16 AM

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lumileijona

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No not trolling. Huge stacks are more likely to be fish than 100-200bb stacks. Just pay attention to this during next couple of days and tell me whether I was right or not.

In any case you should not fold this against anybody you decided to 3 bet.

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01-27-2014 , 04:32 AM

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neok

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lol @ making assumptions from his stacksize when villain plays 54/18

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01-27-2014 , 05:40 AM

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TH_Poker

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Originally Posted by lumileijona

No not trolling. Huge stacks are more likely to be fish than 100-200bb stacks. Just pay attention to this during next couple of days and tell me whether I was right or not.

In any case you should not fold this against anybody you decided to 3 bet.

yes - as said before: WP

I will look into your "stack size theory"

some more (my experience definitely points in the other direction though!)

Regarding villains stats: how many hands is this based on? >1K? >100? or really just 20-50?

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