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What's the worst hand you stack off with here? What's the worst hand you stack off with here?

01-15-2008 , 08:16 AM
Villain plays around 24/20, aggro postflop. CO is another reg, BTN is a big fish. No relevent history or anything.

I have a specific hand in mind, just want to see if you guys agree/disagree. Thx

Party Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (UTG): $1,027
MP: $1,964.75
CO: $1,424.75
BTN: $676.75
SB: $797
BB: $983

Pre-Flop: XX dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $35, MP calls $35, CO calls $35, BTN calls $35, 2 folds

Flop: ($155) T A Q (4 Players)
Hero bets $125, MP raises to $345, 2 folds
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01-15-2008 , 08:23 AM
KJ AQ and all sets obv. Khxh, QhJh, KQhh. A10 I prolly decide based on how opponent plays and what he will raise here.
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01-15-2008 , 08:23 AM
QJhh
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01-15-2008 , 08:35 AM
ok can we forget combo draws and pair+draws for now and only consider made hands?
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01-15-2008 , 08:48 AM
10s, maybe A,Q
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01-15-2008 , 08:51 AM
Aces up. If I'm cbetting this flop into three idiots, I'm betting 2pair+ for value and not folding.
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01-15-2008 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul B.
Aces up. If I'm cbetting this flop into three idiots, I'm betting 2pair+ for value and not folding.
who the fk said they were idiots? one has down's syndrome or something, the other 2 are tough aggro regs

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10s, maybe A,Q
agree 100%

imo A-10 is an ez fold, TT an ez shove and AQ pretty close...
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01-15-2008 , 08:55 AM
AQ+ sounds about right.
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01-15-2008 , 09:09 AM
I think im stacking off here with AT as well. AT isnt so different from AQ in this spot i think, since one of the opponents holding AQ is unlikely given preflop action. Actually AT might be a bit better since QQQ is more unlikely than TTT.
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01-15-2008 , 09:13 AM
AT??? are you guys insane
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01-15-2008 , 09:32 AM
Why?
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01-15-2008 , 09:32 AM
My friend and I both agree AQ is probably a fold here...
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01-15-2008 , 09:35 AM
What? are you serious? There are so many strong draws and other hands, how can you only give them TT and KJ?
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01-15-2008 , 09:43 AM
only gave 2 combos for aces and queens and 98hh is v generous imo

probably should discount AQ a bit as well which gives AT better equity, but meh and if he;s the type to cc KJo, we're even more ****ed

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

130,680 games 0.002 secs 65,340,000 games/sec

Board: Th Ah Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.291% 78.50% 00.79% 102581 1036.00 { AcAd, AcAs, QcQd, QcQs, TT, AQs, KhQh, KJs, QhJh, 9h8h, AQo }
Hand 1: 20.709% 19.92% 00.79% 26027 1036.00 { ATs, ATo }
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01-15-2008 , 09:44 AM
remove 98hh plz
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01-15-2008 , 09:45 AM
Take a look at the preflop action o_O How do you think this is going to be AA,QQ often enough to even be considerable?
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01-15-2008 , 09:45 AM
At is a ridic easy fold, AQ is prob a fold too
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01-15-2008 , 09:46 AM
you can add J9hh tho
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01-15-2008 , 09:47 AM
Well, maybe AT might be a fold, given that players might very well cc AQ preflop, but when your laying down AQ you give them only TT and KJ? I dont really get that...
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01-15-2008 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by coldi
Well, maybe AT might be a fold, given that players might very well cc AQ preflop, but when your laying down AQ you give them only TT and KJ? I dont really get that...
no we're giving him TT KJ AQ (as well as the unlikely AA and QQ) plus combo draws such as KQhh J9hh etc, but he may even flat those, arguably should. Think about it, he is never doing this with a naked flush draw. Our equity with A-10 vs his range is pretty ****
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01-15-2008 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by coldi
Well, maybe AT might be a fold, given that players might very well cc AQ preflop, but when your laying down AQ you give them only TT and KJ? I dont really get that...
raising the flop with a fish in the hand and other people to act with Q,Jhh seems a really terrible way to play a good hand. A,10 is redic easy fold.
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01-15-2008 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wtf5
raising the flop with a fish in the hand and other people to act with Q,Jhh seems a really terrible way to play a good hand. A,10 is redic easy fold.
go revise bitch
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01-15-2008 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FionnMac
no we're giving him TT KJ AQ (as well as the unlikely AA and QQ) plus combo draws such as KQhh J9hh etc, but he may even flat those, arguably should. Think about it, he is never doing this with a naked flush draw. Our equity with A-10 vs his range is pretty ****
Ya, i just said AT might be a fold since people can coldcall AQ preflop. I was talking about laying down AQ. AA & QQ are very very unlikely, the only one that could have such a hand is MP, imo. So even against a range TT,KJ, and combodraws, i think our equity is good enough to felt it, am i wrong there?
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01-15-2008 , 10:01 AM
Wow, i just ran some maths and im very surprised, i think i was pretty wrong:

Equity Win Draw Lose Hand (on Ah Qc Th)
Player 1: 27.729 % 27.172 % 1.115 % 71.714 % AQ
Player 2: 72.271 % 71.714 % 1.115 % 27.172 % TT,KJs,KhQh,Jh9h,QhJh

Our equity begins to look ok if we start to add ATs to the villains range, although it still isnt too good:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 38.564 % 37.897 % 1.334 % 60.769 % AQ
Player 2: 61.436 % 60.769 % 1.334 % 37.897 % TT,KJs,KhQh,Jh9h,QhJh,ATs

Only if we give them ATo as well (which seems unlikely to me considering pf action) the equity looks good:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 52.144 % 51.339 % 1.610 % 47.051 % AQ
Player 2: 47.856 % 47.051 % 1.610 % 51.339 % TT,KJs,KhQh,Jh9h,QhJh,AT


So i guess i was pretty wrong there, AT seems to be a pretty easy fold and AQ is probably a fold as well :/
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01-15-2008 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by skier_5
only gave 2 combos for aces and queens and 98hh is v generous imo
You actually gave him 1 combo of QQ and you discount AA by only 33%.
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