I've been watching a bunch of poker training videos on youtube about how to build a bankroll. Most of the videos I watch the online games they play are a lot different than the ones at the site I play at, despite the fact they are both 25NL tables. It's my impression that when table selecting a good way of deciding which table to sit at is a high percentage of players per flop and a high average pot size. So clearly since the former is met here at the site I play, would this be considered a juicy game? But I am wondering what types of things I need to be doing differently when basically every pot involves 5 or 6 players limping in and seeing a flop?

Should my 3-betting percentage increase?
Should I play a lot of hands that flop good multiway? Suited connectors/gappers, etc..?

Thanks for your input.

Juicy games indeed.

Generally just steal less and isolate with a strong range. You can overlimp small pairs, as fish tends to be the ones who pay off your sets.

Valuebet thin and hard, don't rely on fold equity.

Makes sense. Bet sizing seems simpler when less players are in the hand. So I'm on the cutoff with 5 limpers and I'm trying to isolate with AJ suited. What would an appropriate raise be? .25 x 5 = $1.25 in pot + .35 blinds = $1.6 in pot...

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Honestly when i'm in LP and there's a ton of limpers I make the number quite large. In this exact situation I would probably raise to like 2.50 pre. You'd be surprised how often you get called by a crappy Ax or a small pair that only check/folds the flop.

Thanks. I don't know why but I've always raised too small when pf raising or 3 betting...one of the things I picked up from the training I've watched. 2.5 seems like a good number to maybe get one or two callers, or steal everyone's blinds, either way with AJ suited I'd be happy.

This . Ironically, when some of us improved we began struggling against these fish, when they were the only ones we could beat originally.

Don't try & run people over or prove your a better player. Sometimes u gotta give em the pot.
I lol when multitabling 12/10 players don't play any more hands at these tables than they would vs nits. Close ur other ****king tables & run at 35/bb vs these guys.
I'm playing so many buttons in these games, and suited connectors, or just connectors, work very well vs these fish in limped pots.
Just try & make hands and BE PATIENT. Even if they win big pots against you, the money is sitting there to get back and then some

don't raise to 10x pre

Why

couldn't disagree more.

Can you explain?

On an great table full of passive fish just play a wide value range. We are not there to steal dead money pre, as there isn't any, but what is considered "strong" is now much much wider. As they are likely passive post flop as well, and passive means lots of showdowns, we want lots of hands with good equity. Ie big cards. So hands like q9o in position with limpers to isolate while hands like 23s I am doing more over limping and the like.

More generally, the plan against passive fish is to value bet thinly (because they call to much), not pay off (as they only start making big raises with good hands), and collecting a bit of dead money but being careful and judicious with this.

Thanks!

What about Agro an Agro fish? :-) what Will be the Best play against them?

In my opinion, you should iso-3bet the fish with a pretty wide range, because they just fold too much vs cbets. Even when they don't, you can bluffcatch with A hi quite a bit.
I have to admit though that my recent experience on 25NL was on Stars, so there's usually one fish and 5 nitty regs so that's that.
Also you shouldn't steal less. You should have a postflop advantage against the fish. Hence, you should even steal more. If you are not already stealing a lot.
Also there are a lot of spots where you can indeed rely on fold equity vs fish. I. e. obv "scare cards" or where it is obv they are on a draw.