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08-23-2011 , 07:42 AM

djdanny82

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May sounds stupid to lots of people but how should I play the next type of hands OOP on the turn:

Preflop: Hero raise - Villian calls
Flop: Hero cbet - Villian calls
Turn: Hero ???

Hand 1: A8 - 8d Jd 4c 2d - 3flushcards - midpair
Hand 2: A8 - 8d Jd 4c 6h - dryboard - midpair
Hand 3: A8 - Ac 5s 2d Th - dryboard - hipair weak kicker
Hand 4: A8 - Ac 5c 2c Th - 3flushcards - hipair weak kicker

Please say for each hand whether we bet/fold - check/call or check/fold

How would I play them?

Hand1 - bet/fold
Hand2 - check/call or bet/fold (cause got not clue)
Hand3 - bet/fold
Hand4 - check/call

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08-23-2011 , 07:46 AM

dawn keebals

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It depends on villian theres no correct pattern to take.

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08-23-2011 , 07:49 AM

djdanny82

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I always play without HUD and 9 tables at the same time and I pay no attention to my opponents really, I'm preparing myself to masstable, probably 15 tables 6max NL eventualy so then I sure won't have reads so I'm looking for most optimal play.

Maybe I should rephrase the question, how would you play these types of hands vs a complete unknown that just joined the table?

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08-23-2011 , 10:26 AM

blackdragons

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"I pay no attention to my opponents", "I'm preparing myself to masstable, probably 15 tables". Do you think that this is will be a profitable way to play poker in the longterm? Just think about what youre saying.

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08-23-2011 , 11:27 AM

djdanny82

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You think when people masstable 15+ tables remember what villains did previous hands? I dont think so, it would be just a robotic style of play. Thats why I look for optimal plays. Like Nash but then for cashgame.

Can I achieve a good winrate, no I don't think so, can I make good money on rakeback when playing Nl25 or NL50 eventually, yes I think so.

$50 a day is good for me.

I pay about $18/1000 hands NL25 on rake, that equals about $6,- rakeback.
Add +2bb/100 as winrate, that's another $5,- 1000 hands.

So I would make $11/1000 hands, and play about 5k hands a day.

Well that's my target and I think that's pretty realistic

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08-23-2011 , 11:30 AM

mynameispalle

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Nash works because decisions are only preflop. You cant masstable without really good memory/grasp on gameflow/reads on cashgames.
Your goal should be to improve quick and move up to 100nl as fast as you can instead of 15tabling 2nl like a bawss.
Relying on rakeback for income is really bad because then you will just be a breakeven fish and your swings will be huge.

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08-23-2011 , 11:35 AM

zorzak

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still a solid winrate, but why dont you use a HUD and have a lets say 4bb/100 winrate 15tabling + rakeback instead of 2bb/100??? It just sounds that you refuse to use a HUD because of some stubborn principles you have.

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08-23-2011 , 11:36 AM

djdanny82

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Okay call it GTO instead of Nash.

My strong points are spotting weakness and varying my play a lot. Reason I want to masstable is cause I get sick of the badbeats, the more tables I play the less time I have to annoy myself on it cause I stack the tables so I hardly see any showdowns. Only the rebuy windows popup.

Apart of that NL25 isn't that tough, its just that I'm low on cash right now, so I think it's very doable to make a few bucks.

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08-23-2011 , 11:38 AM

mynameispalle

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Playing GTO is ******ed vs idiots, start using a HUD if you masstable.
You have a very wrong approach to poker.

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08-23-2011 , 11:38 AM

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djdanny82

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Originally Posted by zorzak

Please make no assumptions if you don't know my reasons. I know you mean it well but the reason I use no HUD is because I get distracted by it hugely. All those numbers on my screen make my eye's flicker.

Maybe I will use HUD with only player_icons defined. 4 types: loose/passive loose/aggresive tight/aggresive tight/passive, and maybe PFR stats in general. That would keep it nice and simple yes.

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