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What line do I take OOP? What line do I take OOP?

01-13-2020 , 01:15 AM
PokerStars - $0.30 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.73 BB
SB: 79.9 BB
Hero (BB): 100.47 BB
UTG: 257 BB
MP: 18.47 BB
CO: 60.93 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 5

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, BTN raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 13.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 9.5 BB

Flop: (28.5 BB, 2 players) 8 K A
Hero bets 8.93 BB, BTN calls 8.93 BB

Turn: (46.37 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 14.53 BB, BTN raises to 48 BB, Hero calls 33.47 BB

River: (142.37 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 30.03 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 30.03 BB

Hero shows 6 5 (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 42%, Flop 32%, Turn 25%)
BTN shows A K (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 58%, Flop 68%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins 195.77 BB
Rake paid 6.67 BB

Not always 3 betting this, but V is very tight. V folded to 67% of 3 bets and ~80% of 3 bets on button. Either getting a lot of folds or taking it to the streets with a hand that is never dominated here and has playability. When he calls on flop it is fairly Obvious he has KK, AA, AK, and sometimes KQ of spades here.

What line do I take here when I have tons of equity and he has such an obvious holding? One that I know I am behind and basically have no fold equity over.
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01-13-2020 , 02:02 AM
Bet bigger flop, don't always bet this

Check raising is an important part of playing oop. I think this hand works excellent as a check raise. You want to check a bit of high equity hands that really hate to get raised. You can check raise jam them as bluffs along with some good hands.
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01-13-2020 , 03:29 AM
I do not like checking the flop, I am pretty much always cbetting AKx in 3bet pots, oop as the aggressor because i am able o put a lot of pressure on villain's entire range.

When we get raised OTT in a spot where our range is basically uncapped, it suxs. Almost always he'll have a very strong holding. Anyway, I believe having a fd and a gs will be good enough to shove.

Also, I would definitely bet bigger OTT. 3/4
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01-13-2020 , 06:11 AM
I flat pre

AP I cb range otf

Turn's fine, though I prefer betting slightly larger, and shoving vs the raise. X/r is also an option ott
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01-13-2020 , 06:27 AM
60% flop lets you ship turns for pot
prob don't ship on spades, A or K
need to fold turn ap

Last edited by ionutd; 01-13-2020 at 06:33 AM.
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01-13-2020 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by andreicos
I flat pre

AP I cb range otf

Turn's fine, though I prefer betting slightly larger, and shoving vs the raise. X/r is also an option ott
What would be the point of shoving vs raise. I know it leaves some awkward amount behind, but he is literally never folding to the raise and never folding any rivers. Can't I just see what the run out is and save like 30 BB when its a blank since I have No SD value? Perfectly fine with jamming with pot behind or something, but I just see no benefit to a shove.
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01-13-2020 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
60% flop lets you ship turns for pot
prob don't ship on spades, A or K
need to fold turn ap
Wait, what do you mean don't ship on spades?
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01-13-2020 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LomaPac
What would be the point of shoving vs raise. I know it leaves some awkward amount behind, but he is literally never folding to the raise and never folding any rivers. Can't I just see what the run out is and save like 30 BB when its a blank since I have No SD value? Perfectly fine with jamming with pot behind or something, but I just see no benefit to a shove.
How do you know he's never folding, maybe he folds like 10% or whatever, that's still smth. I disagree with you that he's never folding river as well, like if he has some sort of draw.

What other hands do you call here ? Imo it's simpler to just not have a calling range in this spot

What's your plan if you miss ?
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01-13-2020 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by andreicos
How do you know he's never folding, maybe he folds like 10% or whatever, that's still smth. I disagree with you that he's never folding river as well, like if he has some sort of draw.

What other hands do you call here ? Imo it's simpler to just not have a calling range in this spot

What's your plan if you miss ?
He folds to 80% of 3 bets from the button, and folding to a ton of c bets, so when I get raised on the turn I am pretty much always up against KK, AA, AK and once in a while KQ spades.

I probably just check on river if I brick. I find that I am losing so much money at these stakes by not recognizing player types enough. So many times its clear as day when a nit has the nuts and I still try to make a move like this.

I agree with someone earlier saying to try to xr to set up a pot size turn shove, but as played I don't get what putting in 30 BB that gets snapped off as a 75/25 dog does for me.
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01-13-2020 , 11:28 AM
Never checking this flop
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01-13-2020 , 11:33 AM
Sorry, read the thread and forgot there was a whole hand here.

The turn call makes little sense. You're getting raised or folded to a ton. Got raised, get out here. Maybe I don't like the doublebarrel?
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01-13-2020 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LomaPac
He folds to 80% of 3 bets from the button, and folding to a ton of c bets, so when I get raised on the turn I am pretty much always up against KK, AA, AK and once in a while KQ spades.

I probably just check on river if I brick. I find that I am losing so much money at these stakes by not recognizing player types enough. So many times its clear as day when a nit has the nuts and I still try to make a move like this.

I agree with someone earlier saying to try to xr to set up a pot size turn shove, but as played I don't get what putting in 30 BB that gets snapped off as a 75/25 dog does for me.
if he's a nit, than you need to fold
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01-13-2020 , 03:02 PM
I won one of my biggest pots at 25nl fast, because deep stack was going for flush, and I flopped two pair (another player with A7s was also calling, 0 eq on flop). You got lucky in that hand, but if you are complaining about losing so much, then maybe tighten up a bit yourself, until you get deep enough and comfortable enough with tricky plays.
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01-13-2020 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by andreicos
if he's a nit, than you need to fold
But I have more than enough equity to call and hit, and with implied odds of getting the rest of his stack its a slam dunk.

I'm just confused as to what approach I should take to get stacks in.
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01-13-2020 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LomaPac
But I have more than enough equity to call and hit, and with implied odds of getting the rest of his stack its a slam dunk.

I'm just confused as to what approach I should take to get stacks in.
sometimes, we go for whatever pot we can get. Savvy players will not necessarily stack off.
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01-13-2020 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LomaPac
But I have more than enough equity to call and hit, and with implied odds of getting the rest of his stack its a slam dunk.

I'm just confused as to what approach I should take to get stacks in.
Well if his range is exactly KK+, AK and KQs, then you have 23% equity, and to call with your IO you need ~18%. That's just a really weird range for him to have in this spot though, even for an ultra nit.
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