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07-31-2008 , 05:22 AM

Black winter day

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Villain is a standard reg, a bit on a tight side 19.5/13/3

Cryptologic £2/£5 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: £536.00
BTN: £698.68
Hero (SB): £575.20
BB: £1000.93
UTG: £583.81

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with XX, 3 folds, Hero raises to £20, BB calls £15

Flop: (£40.00) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets £30, Hero calls £30

Turn: (£100.00) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets £75, Hero raises to £225

What hand do you put me on and what is the bottom of your range (if you are the villain) for shoving the turn?

Last edited by Black winter day; 07-31-2008 at 05:33 AM.

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07-31-2008 , 05:27 AM

Reefypoopoo

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maybe 3b shove as low as 97 with history/battling
maybe as tite as AQ without I guess

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07-31-2008 , 05:28 AM

krmont22

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Depends on how wide you open, but maybe like AQ that had a bd flush draw but mostly some sort of pair or gutter or open ender that turned diamonds. I'd probably ship it pretty liberally on you.

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07-31-2008 , 05:30 AM

Black winter day

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Well, i am recently playing about 24/20/3

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07-31-2008 , 05:48 AM

Yentz

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24/20/3 . .. Really? Quite a change from your ole 18/14 game :-)

Well - I am usually not looking to fold 88+ here, you will have a draw or air too often I think.

It would be an unusual line for you to take with a flopped monster (twopair+) against a villain not known to be overly aggressive, since many hands will check behind the turn.
And I doubt you are raising 88-JJ on the turn.

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07-31-2008 , 06:03 AM

Black winter day

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Update your filters, dude, i haven't played 18/14 since my tribeca days, i think

I was about 20/15 for a long time though...

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07-31-2008 , 07:13 AM

Yentz

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Originally Posted by Black winter day

Update your filters, dude, i haven't played 18/14 since my tribeca days, i think

I was about 20/15 for a long time though...

Yeah, I know, just messing with you. 24/20/3 is a change though. .

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07-31-2008 , 07:15 AM

WelshChip

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might shove any 2

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07-31-2008 , 08:54 AM

JackAll

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Your hand looks a LOT like it's FOS.
Looks like maybe 45dd/75dd/A5dd.
If it is those hands, I don't like your line.

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07-31-2008 , 08:59 AM

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JFsports

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i can't put you on a hand

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07-31-2008 , 10:07 AM

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Zeestein

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Im probably shoving 97+ but probably fold weak draws and worse made hands, f u if you hit the Q

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07-31-2008 , 10:38 AM

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JHRoman

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You got AQ and are ahead and the raise is for value. Sadly your opponent shoves on you, you call, and he suck out on river. You reload and your coffee all of a sudden doesn´t taste as good.
Anyway...
I´m shoving 2p+, 55, and combodraws here I think.

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07-31-2008 , 10:56 AM

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shtirlis

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7d9d

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07-31-2008 , 10:59 AM

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tozzy

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Originally Posted by JHRoman

I´m shoving 2p+, 55, and combodraws here I think.

So you shove 55 and fold T9s?

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07-31-2008 , 11:09 AM

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JHRoman

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Originally Posted by tozzy

So you shove 55 and fold T9s?

I shove 55 and I shove T9s. Reread my post plz.

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07-31-2008 , 11:12 AM

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Eddi

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Originally Posted by JFsports

i can't put you on a hand

lol, +1

Enlighten us why would any hand play like this?

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07-31-2008 , 11:18 AM

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sonplz

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Originally Posted by JackAll

Your hand looks a LOT like it's FOS.
Looks like maybe 45dd/75dd/A5dd.
If it is those hands, I don't like your line.

I kinda feel the same way in that your line won't get a lot of credit so you might not want to do it with combodraws.

For value it seems cool, although I have a really hard time putting you on a hand. Not sure you steal w/ Q6s vs a 19/13, but thats a hand I could imagine playing that way.

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07-31-2008 , 11:39 AM

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tozzy

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Originally Posted by JHRoman

I shove 55 and I shove T9s. Reread my post plz.

What about K9o?

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07-31-2008 , 11:44 AM

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JackAll

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Originally Posted by sonplz

For value it also sux cuz you don't know if he is good enough to realise how rubbishy out line looks.

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07-31-2008 , 12:34 PM

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HERE_2_gamble_

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i think you got like 7d8d

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07-31-2008 , 12:42 PM

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sonplz

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Originally Posted by JackAll

For value it also sux cuz you don't know if he is good enough to realise how rubbishy out line looks.

I think for value its at least as good as any other options we have after c/c the flop. It obviously depends on player tendencies, if he's floaty and what not, but I don't see why this line would induce less spew than say leading.

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07-31-2008 , 12:47 PM

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smartalecc5

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Some picked up 2nd draw that you wanted to get to river with but now he bet and you can try to get his bet now. I think if you're going for value triple barreling is far superior. Two diamonds are in your hand, with one of them being an 8 or a 5.