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what the **** am i supposed to do? what the **** am i supposed to do?

07-30-2008 , 11:09 PM
obviously i'm isolating the guy with $5 and the unknown decides to limp call. i basically figure he could have atc since he made such a wierd play so what am i supposed to do?

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $21.20
MP: $49.90
CO: $7.65
BTN: $14.00
Hero (SB): $49.50
BB: $49.50

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 8 8
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, CO raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.25, 1 fold, MP calls $5.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($14.75) T T 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $9, MP calls $9

Turn: ($32.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, MP calls $20

River: ($72.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $14.25 all in, MP calls $14.25
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07-30-2008 , 11:14 PM
bet the flop, then shut down. you could c/c a small bet on the turn if you wanted to although i think that's probably slightly spewy and you would have to fold the river if he bet despite getting good odds so probably c/f the turn is best. if it goes check/check i might lean slightly more towards c/c the river in the hopes he makes a 'wtf do i do bet' with like a badly played 44 or something, but i think you're in pretty poor shape vs his betting range on any street after he calls you on the flop
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07-30-2008 , 11:30 PM
Provided MP isn`t a world class ****** I can`t think of a single hand he does this with. Strange hand.
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07-30-2008 , 11:33 PM
So at the turn u decided to risk your stack, or would you fold to any river card? I guess not. You did bet $20, leaving $15 behind, why don't u just make a potsize bet of $35 and increase your foldequity?

I do not think that going all-in on turn is a good play, but I think it's better than your play. If we got Trips or a better hand, this might be better, because we want worse hand to call and this could be done with a smaller bet.

I would suggest a c/f, perhaps even a c/c, but I don't see you very much ahead and would try to avoid the decision to play with my stack (and after a calling a $20 bet on turn u would be commited the same way you are now), given the limp/call and call on the dry flop. There is a huge change you are against a better Overpair.

If u check and he checks behind there is a much bigger chance you are ahead, given that he could have had flush draw or even some overcards. I would then bet about $15 and fold to any reraise.
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07-30-2008 , 11:34 PM
Think i just shut down on the turn, but the way you played you may as well shove the turn if you want to keep bluffing to maximise fold equity as leaving yourself with $14 and a $72 pot on the river is rather useless.

Preflop may as well raise to put the CO all in and maximise fold equity vs others.
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07-30-2008 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Savaron
So at the turn u decided to risk your stack, or would you fold to any river card? I guess not. You did bet $20, leaving $15 behind, why don't u just make a potsize bet of $35 and increase your foldequity?
fold equity is not an issue in this hand. either he has a better hand and will call a shove or he has a worse hand and will fold. shoving literally lets the villain play perfect vs us. its not like hes gonna get scared with JJ or something and fold or make a hero call with AK
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07-30-2008 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by d_smith77
fold equity is not an issue in this hand. either he has a better hand and will call a shove or he has a worse hand and will fold. shoving literally lets the villain play perfect vs us. its not like hes gonna get scared with JJ or something and fold or make a hero call with AK
Yeah, I know that, but I do think that betting turn and call every river is a worse play than putting it right on in the middle at turn.
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07-31-2008 , 12:13 AM
agreed. thats why i think c/f turn is by far the best
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07-31-2008 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by blocka
Think i just shut down on the turn, but the way you played you may as well shove the turn if you want to keep bluffing to maximise fold equity as leaving yourself with $14 and a $72 pot on the river is rather useless.
This. If you're betting this turn at all, you should shove. With 88, I'd just check/fold and hope he checks behind turn/river for a free showdown.

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Preflop may as well raise to put the CO all in and maximise fold equity vs others.
I'm undecided on this though. I'm not a big fan of getting 88 in here vs. the shortstack. I'd hate to say it, but I may just fold here preflop.
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07-31-2008 , 02:39 AM
i fold this preflope some of the time. if i know i will get a caller behind me i will just call, but i will only try to isolate him with significant reads on the others. then such things most of the time wont happen. as played bet flop, shut down turn or shove. i think shutting down is the best here, looks like JJ> to me
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07-31-2008 , 02:45 AM
you can't fold 88 pf to a single raise from a stack of any size. raising to get it in with the ss was fine. having a guy limp and then continue vs. a 3bet is just an anomoly that's almost never going to happen.

i don't put in another dime after getting called on the flop. i'd expect villain to have AA or 99 more than any other hands here.
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07-31-2008 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
you can't fold 88 pf to a single raise from a stack of any size. raising to get it in with the ss was fine. having a guy limp and then continue vs. a 3bet is just an anomoly that's almost never going to happen.
Sure I can. I don't enjoy flipping with shortstacks with weak middle pairs. 99 I would, but 88 is too weak imo. I think calling here is really bad since we'll be pot committed vs. the shortstack, so I think folding is best.

Where's the cutoff line for you? Would you do the same with 77 or 66?
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07-31-2008 , 03:46 AM
Bet the flop and c/f to any more action. If your betting the turn, jam it all in. You didn't and should have just saved your money on the river.
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