No clue what to do on the turn here. I dont think he has AA because I would hope he 4-bets that this deep. Villain is SirFelixCat and is 35/17 over like 100 hands. I have no clue if he is a fish or what because I just moved up to 2/4 and have no hands on anyone.

Is this standard?

Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP: $1652.50
CO: $621.10
BTN: $434.00
SB: $467.00
Hero (BB): $798.00
UTG: $429.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with K K
1 fold, MP raises to $16, 3 folds, Hero raises to $66, MP calls $50

Flop: ($134.00) 7 5 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $88, MP calls $88

Turn: ($310.00) T (2 players)
Hero bets $218,

yeah i wouldn't be too worried about being behind on the turn here. So it's either lead or crai the turn; I guess his most likely hands are like 88-JJ ?

i think the line u took is fine (?)

Yeah looks solid so far how.... play after this is probably more interesting

Your wish is my command. Don't assume I lost the hand either.

Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP: $1652.50
CO: $621.10
BTN: $434.00
SB: $467.00
Hero (BB): $798.00
UTG: $429.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with K K
1 fold, MP raises to $16, 3 folds, Hero raises to $66, MP calls $50

Flop: ($134.00) 7 5 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $88, MP calls $88

Turn: ($310.00) T (2 players)
Hero bets $218, MP raises to $964

i would fold here, if he is bluffing here he earned it. There is now a flush and a str8 on the board, it is way too hard to make this call here. I also think you should have put him on some sort of draw already or the straight. I really don't like the turn bet too much, it is such a bad spot to get all the money in, you could have found a better spot.

fold

I find it hard to believe someone would play a flush for such a big raise on the turn.

I agree with Arturius, but villians not doing this with QQ, JJ and doesn't have a pair + Ace of spades unless it's AA.

its less thana 3X raise and flatting leaves them w/ like 1/2 pot behind

It is 2.5 for 1 so it isn't that much, so the odds are ok, if you have A8 there even better, you are ahead here. So the bet was not too big to me.

I might make the raise even a little bit bigger pre.

How often have you been three betting him?

Ah I thought we covered. Do whatever, if you think he's donkish I just go broke.

i fold as i really don't see this as a semi bluff ofen

I go broke here.

I woulda bet a little bit more on the flop cbet. As for his play, I'm pretty stumped as to what he could possibly have. His line looks more like a slow aces or pure bluff (leaning to a bluff). Could be AK? w/ A of spades? QQ/JJ seems unlikely to be played like this. TT is a slight posibility.

I dunno, I probalby hit time and call b/c his line looks like such FOS.

Id go broke here, I see too much dumb **** in spots like this for me to fold

I would have made my flop cbet bigger too

to the folders......are you folding if we have the Ks?

argh I'd probably fold, if you don't have history I don't think he'd try to get an unknown off an over pair, and villain must think you have at least an overpair here.. I just don't think he's shoving a draw/overpair that we beat here, and I also think people play way more straightforward in big pots this deep.

Also, villain is 2+2er I believe (there's a 2+2er by the same name anyway)

You never folded kings before? Or only if a Ace hits? The kings are just a pair, nothing more, with a board like this 1 pair hardly ever wins

If you focus on the reraise size, then it's easy to convince yourself he has AA.. since I doubt he plays flush this way, and this is not a low flush trying to protect against another spade on the river since he called your pf 3bet.

If you focus on his range instead and what range he has you on, then this becomes much more like a call.

Honestly you sound like the biggest nit ever, not saying your advice on this hand is bad, but every thread I read you're advocating for a fold or calling a bet too thin. Do you play online?

OP, with what frequency had you been 3betting? This is important to determine how wide his preflop range is. I have to think really narrow (PP) unless you seemed out of line. I don't see him as the type to bluff in this spot, so I fold, fairly easily.

Anyone like a c/c on the turn?

Hi :wave:

Yes, it's me, villain. I won't progress the hand any further until Skeet does, but I'm curious, being as deep as we are, what range you put ME on. I mean, I'm in position and deep, therefore my range is a bit wider than it normally would be say, if we're 100BB deep.

And those stats are way, way off 100 hand sample = not good. Villain I have as a pretty solid winner, but on the nittish side of things (15/12) over a large sample. We've played w/ e/o coming up thru the ranks, so I'm surprised he doesn't know me, but w/e.

I put villain, when he bets the turn (flop bet size is not good, imo), on QQ+, AK (As), AQ (As), 2pr, a set or trying to bully me. He hadn't been 3b'ing me often, so there's not a ton of history behind the hand.

Thoughts on my range?

I don't like the turn bet, you're hand is too weak imo. It's like it's gonna make river play easy either.

As played you can't call the turn unless there's some dynamic to it that we don't knwo about. He's either combo drawing or has you crushed.

Actually on this board, I might not even cbet it. You're not gonna get into any good spots.

I was about to add to this that I think his turn bet was bad. Either let me bluff the turn or c/f the turn. He's crushed by the majority of my range. And by "my" range I mean me or an unknown in general I'd say, no?