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Very common bur problematic pre flop for me.Any advice ? Very common bur problematic pre flop for me.Any advice ?
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04-10-2017 , 06:27 AM
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How would you play this spot?



    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37701110

    BTN: $25.09 (250.9 bb)
    SB: $9.90 (99 bb)
    BB: $11.87 (118.7 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
    MP: $13.04 (130.4 bb)
    CO: $25.83 (258.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
    Hero raises to $0.30, MP folds, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.20, CO raises to $25.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.80 and is all-in

    Flop: ($20.15) 4 Q Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: ($20.15) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($20.15) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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    04-10-2017 , 07:48 AM
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    Unless the CO is super nit, I'd be happy to get it in with QQ+, AK
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    04-10-2017 , 08:26 AM
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    Agree that unless we know villain doesn't do this with AK we should call him off and I think villains 3 bet range is normally wide enough that we need to 4bet oop.

    I would also aim to hit quads on the flop
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    04-10-2017 , 04:07 PM
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    Gii and flop quads. Soooo, what's the problem? .
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    04-10-2017 , 05:33 PM
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    I would flat QQ a lot pre. 10nl stack off ranges were super nitty vs UTG when I played there.
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    04-10-2017 , 05:53 PM
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    I generally wouldn't 4bet if you don't want to stack off. I agree with just calling often pre. Sometimes you get lucky enough to find regs 5bet jamming AK here, but it's pretty rare. Most reg players are only 5bet jamming KK+ vs UTG/MP 4bets.
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    04-10-2017 , 05:57 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by whitemares
    I generally wouldn't 4bet if you don't want to stack off. I agree with just calling often pre. Sometimes you get lucky enough to find regs 5bet jamming AK here, but it's pretty rare. Most reg players are only 5bet jamming KK+ vs UTG/MP 4bets.
    Agree. If it's some random I'm fist pump gii, but against regs I flat mostly unless they're tilting or you have a reliable timing tell over decent sample.
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    04-11-2017 , 12:43 AM
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    Agreed vs most regs at this stake I don't like to have a 4-betting range here.

    Exploitatively I guess you could 4b AA but I still like to flat everything as people rarely 5bet bluff or get out of line in these positions.
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    04-11-2017 , 10:41 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by whitemares
    I generally wouldn't 4bet if you don't want to stack off. I agree with just calling often pre. Sometimes you get lucky enough to find regs 5bet jamming AK here, but it's pretty rare. Most reg players are only 5bet jamming KK+ vs UTG/MP 4bets.

    +1
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    04-11-2017 , 11:27 AM
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    i 4b but if they 5bet i fold

    glgl
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    04-11-2017 , 01:37 PM
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    I don't think this is problematic at all. R/C PF and go with the hand on a Q or lower flop. 4B/calling in this spot is probably -EV on average. If this assumption is accurate then it's obviously better to R/C PF. Idk somebody with a huge DB post some 10NL stats for this.

    I'd 4B exactly AA UTG vs CO. Nobody will be around enough hands to exploit this, but if you're playing the same guys every day because you're stuck playing in the US add 8-10 bluff combos to balance. Pick hand that retains equity best vs a tight range when the 4B is called.
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    04-11-2017 , 02:05 PM
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    Usually only calling QQ AK on early position even oop. But 4b/c from CO on.
    The worst thing you can do with such hand is 4b/f.
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    04-11-2017 , 02:41 PM
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    Dose anybody have big sample on NL10 zoom stars and can filter spots like this UTG vs MP vs CO vs BTN.I would really like to know what ppl gii most of the times in those spots.
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    04-11-2017 , 03:00 PM
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    The worst thing you can do is calling a 3b oop
    and paying off vill when a low flop comes

    glgl
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    04-11-2017 , 03:08 PM
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    Quote:
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    The worst thing you can do is calling a 3b oop
    and paying off vill when a low flop comes
    No, 4bet/folding QQ is absolutely worse.
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    04-11-2017 , 05:15 PM
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    Quote:
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    The worst thing you can do is calling a 3b oop
    and paying off vill when a low flop comes

    glgl
    If you flat the 3b, then you're keeping his range wider and letting him gii bad with TT, JJ, maybe 99, some suited connector semi-bluffs, and some AK, AQ bluffs on low flops. And sometimes he has KK, AA and you lose anyway. Seems way more +ev than 4b/f.

    4b/f QQ pre is awful.
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    04-11-2017 , 10:34 PM
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    fwiw I also flat KK+ a ton as 3-bettor in this spot when UTG/MP 4b. I find it's extremely profitable and people don't often put you on those hands very often at this stake.
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