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valuebetting 2nd pair on flop and turn, bet/folding two pair on river vs. total unknown valuebetting 2nd pair on flop and turn, bet/folding two pair on river vs. total unknown

10-03-2010 , 07:26 PM
this guy is unknown. his UTG limp makes him look fishy to me. do you think the value bets are too thin on early streets? do you agree with bet/folding the river?


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SB: $10.33
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $10.20
CO: $10.00
BTN: $13.62

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with J T
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.25) T 7 Q (3 players)
Hero bets $0.80, UTG calls $0.80, BTN folds

Turn: ($2.85) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, UTG calls $1.50

River: ($5.85) J (2 players)
Hero bets $3, UTG requests TIME, UTG raises to $7, Hero folds
valuebetting 2nd pair on flop and turn, bet/folding two pair on river vs. total unknown Quote
10-03-2010 , 07:47 PM
river is a easy check as you have SD value.

i dotn like river bet, dont know what worse is calling.
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10-03-2010 , 07:53 PM
You don't have two pair on the river, you have 3 pair.

River check is probably better, because he may have J9/KJ which he might check-behind and 98 which he would shove. He probably won't call with AT on the river.
I would call a small bet.
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10-03-2010 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jever

River check is probably better, because he may have J9/KJ which he might check-behind and 98 which he would shove. He probably won't call with AT on the river.
I would call a small bet.
not sure i follow... if he's gonna check behind with J9/KJ, isn't that more reason to bet?

what do you guys think about the flop and turn, by the way?
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10-03-2010 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RBlagojevich
not sure i follow... if he's gonna check behind with J9/KJ, isn't that more reason to bet?

what do you guys think about the flop and turn, by the way?
What I meant is that he will not fold the river with those hands for a half-sized bet. But he would probably check them behind.
I think your hand is too good to bluff, and villain has a lot of queens in his range so that I wouldn't bluff here at all.
Flop ist std, Turn is okay, but you can check it, too. If you want to bet it, I would bet more, because otherwise you develop betsizing tells.
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10-03-2010 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jever
What I meant is that he will not fold the river with those hands for a half-sized bet. But he would probably check them behind.
those are hands we beat, so if we think he will call a bet but check behind if we check, then we don't want to give him the opportunity to check behind.

The question is, which part of his range is bigger:
1-pair hands that can call a bet (J9, KJ, AT), or
3 pair hands or better (Qx, 77)

am i right?
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10-03-2010 , 11:48 PM
[ ] we beat KJ
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10-03-2010 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GOONERCAM
[ ] we beat KJ
this. thought i was getting leveled for a minute.
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10-04-2010 , 12:24 AM
vs. 2 opponents oop i just c/f flop. i also check pre.
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10-04-2010 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GOONERCAM
[ ] we beat KJ
wow i am an idiot, was thinking/typing fast and totally spaced this
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10-04-2010 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
vs. 2 opponents oop i just c/f flop. i also check pre.
No way I'm checking this preflop vs 2 fish.
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