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Value lost OOP with full house? Value lost OOP with full house?

05-14-2012 , 09:22 PM
Looking back at this the villain had been raising EP like 57% of 60 hands, at the time I felt I was up against AK,AQ,AJ, his agg was INF ( at risk of sounding completely blonde), does this mean he has shown no agg up til now?


    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12868982

    UTG: $25 (100 bb)
    MP: $25 (100 bb)
    CO: $69.21 (276.8 bb)
    BTN: $32.85 (131.4 bb)
    Hero (SB): $36.70 (146.8 bb)
    BB: $29.02 (116.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
    UTG raises to $0.87, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.77, BB folds

    Flop: ($1.99) A 2 A (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

    Turn: ($4.99) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

    River: ($12.49) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $8.75, UTG folds

    Can I do something better here?

    Spoiler:
    Results: $12.49 pot ($0.56 rake)
    Final Board: A 2 A T 6
    UTG mucked and lost (-$6.12 net)
    Hero mucked T A and won $11.93 ($5.81 net)



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    05-14-2012 , 09:30 PM
    Another very similar situation, villain here is 42/24 with AGG 1.7!





      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12868992

      CO: $25 (100 bb)
      BTN: $82.96 (331.8 bb)
      SB: $33.30 (133.2 bb)
      Hero (BB): $26.81 (107.2 bb)
      MP: $25.35 (101.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
      2 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.25, BTN calls $1.50

      Flop: ($4.60) T 7 A (2 players)
      Hero bets $3, BTN calls $3

      Turn: ($10.60) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $7.75, BTN calls $7.75

      River: ($26.10) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $13.81, BTN folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $26.10 pot ($1.17 rake)
      Final Board: T 7 A 3 8
      BTN mucked and lost (-$13 net)
      Hero mucked A A and won $24.93 ($11.93 net)



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      05-14-2012 , 09:39 PM
      hand 1 you should check the river.
      hand 2 std.
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      05-14-2012 , 09:44 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by lumileijona
      hand 1 you should check the river.
      hand 2 std.
      hand 1 - why?
      hand 2 - std? Do you mean it was played in std optimal way?
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      05-14-2012 , 09:44 PM
      2 situations are't very similar at all.
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      05-14-2012 , 09:57 PM
      i raise the turn on hand 1 hes more likely to call a draw than to barrell air

      h2 is fine
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      05-14-2012 , 10:03 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by sl8a
      2 situations are't very similar at all.
      Excellent analysis, thanks for your input! OOP, nut hand, trying to extract as much value as I can, am I missing something? Can you try and be a little more vague please, I love puzzles, thats why I play poker!!

      Last edited by shari74; 05-14-2012 at 10:11 PM.
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      05-14-2012 , 10:55 PM
      hand 1: either check/raise the turn or check the river to induce a bluff.
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      05-15-2012 , 02:04 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by shari74
      Excellent analysis, thanks for your input! OOP, nut hand, trying to extract as much value as I can, am I missing something? Can you try and be a little more vague please, I love puzzles, thats why I play poker!!
      Is this post a joke or something?

      Both spots are not similar. Hand 1 your OOP without the inititive, hand 2 your OOP with the inititive - and that makes the difference when you flop this well. Not to mention two differnt types of opponents.

      I hope it dawns on you sooner rather than later that there is no instructions guide on how to play perfect poker.

      TPTK vs opponent X is completly differnt from TPTK vs opponent Y. Same if they are both fishy players.

      Hand 1: Vs a guy with a 57% open EP (assuming villian is a fish rather than a reg running well UTG) rating (inf aggression stands for infinite. He has yet to call, just bet or raise) and this aggro, you can even get away with raising the flop / stacking off. His range is not exclusivly AK,AQ,AJ - its every single Ax hand, and a sh*t load of PP he will go with. Plus draws - now this assumes villian is a fish which you havent exactly said he is. So VPIP/PRF stats are needed.

      I would ch/r turn.

      As played, check river and let him hand himself.

      You do need to provide more info on villian however.

      Hand 2: Fine
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      05-15-2012 , 06:13 AM
      Hand 1 hif open ep is 57%, he really likes betting.
      so let him. He will always vbet Ax on the river, but he might also bluff.
      You can c/r the river and put him AI.

      I don't like a turn c/r. we are stacking Ax even if we c/r the river, so no value there. less than trips isn't calling the turn c/r any more than they are betting the river when checked to. So what are you accomplishing? This is an opponent that can potentially triple barrel air,
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      05-15-2012 , 06:17 AM
      Just check the river with AT.
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      05-15-2012 , 07:58 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by GutshotDan92
      Is this post a joke or something?

      Both spots are not similar. Hand 1 your OOP without the inititive, hand 2 your OOP with the inititive - and that makes the difference when you flop this well. Not to mention two differnt types of opponents.

      I hope it dawns on you sooner rather than later that there is no instructions guide on how to play perfect poker.

      TPTK vs opponent X is completly differnt from TPTK vs opponent Y. Same if they are both fishy players.

      Hand 1: Vs a guy with a 57% open EP (assuming villian is a fish rather than a reg running well UTG) rating (inf aggression stands for infinite. He has yet to call, just bet or raise) and this aggro, you can even get away with raising the flop / stacking off. His range is not exclusivly AK,AQ,AJ - its every single Ax hand, and a sh*t load of PP he will go with. Plus draws - now this assumes villian is a fish which you havent exactly said he is. So VPIP/PRF stats are needed.

      I would ch/r turn.

      As played, check river and let him hand himself.

      You do need to provide more info on villian however.

      Hand 2: Fine
      Lol, Note I never said they were exact just that they had similarities, I know there is not an instruction guide on perfect poker but my comment to that guy was around what's the point in posting vague comments with no explanation.
      Thanks for your input though makes a great deal of sense, I only had about a 100 hands on villain 1 and he was 20/19 and I had been playing straight forward TAG as well. I guess my image is very important too, if I had been caught bluffing, being aggressive then a river value bet would be best?
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