Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Value Betting Out of Position Value Betting Out of Position

09-19-2010 , 04:21 PM
I've really been struggling with this part of my game, and think that I'm losing quite a bit of value with these types of hands. The hand below the player is playing 28/23 folding to 3 bets 50% (4/8) of the time.


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $5.07
BTN: $7.34
SB: $4.95
Hero (BB): $3.32
UTG: $6.75
MP: $4.63

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A Q
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.92) J A 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, MP calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.52) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($2.52) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1, Hero folds

Once this 3rd club comes down I could still very well be the best hand, but OOP its really hard for me to continue with this. What is the right line I should be taking with this hand in particular?


This is another spot that I think I played rather weak. The player is 19/13.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $3.89
MP: $3.63
CO: $4.73
BTN: $5.39
Hero (SB): $2.88
BB: $4.73

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A T
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.15) 4 9 T (3 players)
Hero bets $0.15, BB calls $0.15, MP folds

Turn: ($0.45) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, Hero folds

Again, I know I should have probably raised pf, but should I be betting again on the turn here as well? If he raises, is that pretty much an auto fold?

I do feel like I'm often overestimating the strength of players holdings at these limits, and am often playing TPTK very weak. What are your thoughts??

Last edited by thac; 09-19-2010 at 05:38 PM.
Value Betting Out of Position Quote
09-19-2010 , 04:25 PM
1st hand, I'd probably c/call rather than donk at it and very reluctantly call river.

2nd hand, raise it up from the SB, and yeah b/f the queen turn.
Value Betting Out of Position Quote
09-19-2010 , 04:34 PM
HH converter isn't showing the suits for me so don't know where the third club falls in hand 1.

Hand 1 think if you're 3betting AQ here you should probably be looking to bet/shove TPGK otherwise maybe just flat pre. I just noticed you're only 66 deep as well, wtf, bet flop/shove turn.

Hand 2 isolate pre, you can still get value bet/folding turn
Value Betting Out of Position Quote
09-19-2010 , 05:19 PM
yea viking, that's another thing, i've only been buying in for like 50bbs. I should be shoving the turn when I will already have like 1/2 my stack invested already. However, I'm still trying to control the size of the pot in order to get both our stacks in, instead of just over shoving the pot. Do you know what i'm saying? But I guess pot control is more of a deepstack sorta thing, and at these limits people are calling with all sorts of crazy hands that just shoving in these spots will be +ev.
Value Betting Out of Position Quote
09-19-2010 , 05:21 PM
Do u have a flush in any of your hands?
Value Betting Out of Position Quote
09-19-2010 , 05:26 PM
no i don't, sorry, i reposted with the hand history working but this is the one that everyone seems to be posting on. The 1st board comes flop 2 clubs, then club turn and club river
Value Betting Out of Position Quote
09-19-2010 , 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by br1ckwa11
no i don't, sorry, i reposted with the hand history working but this is the one that everyone seems to be posting on. The 1st board comes flop 2 clubs, then club turn and club river
Just ask a mod to merge the threads, click on "report this post" and explain
Value Betting Out of Position Quote
09-19-2010 , 05:38 PM
I edited the hand histories in.
Value Betting Out of Position Quote
09-19-2010 , 05:42 PM
Hand 1: bet the turn, people play a lot of crappy Ax and rarely fold, you are missing value.

Hand 2: Raise preflop, bet the turn as played.


Fold both hands if you get raised.
Value Betting Out of Position Quote
09-19-2010 , 06:04 PM
Typed something out but what vithel said really. Regarding hand 1 unless I'm screwing up the calcs you betsized the flop almost perfectly to shove the turn, it's ~2 into 2.50, I would ship and be happy. Not the kind of hand you want to be missing value on when you're playing 50bbs deep.
Value Betting Out of Position Quote

      
m