@Vancouver, all your numbers kind of translate as "weak tight". You're nitty overall, but also quite passive. While that might be fine at 2NL, it's not gonna cut it higher up, where you have to fight for more pots instead of just trying to make a hand.
If I were you, I'd stick with 2NL for a bit longer, and work on increasing a few things:
* Overall VPIP (starting with a few more opens in CO and BTN, and defending a few more hands in the BB).
* More 3-betting in the SB, especially vs CO+BTN.
* More aggression post-flop. This could include more turn barrels, or larger c-bet sizes (you've got a surprisingly low "c-bet success"). In the BB, you might want to include more flop-check-raises and/or turn probes if villain checks back the flop. You're currently seeing the flop with such a tight range that you should often have decent enough equity to make some aggressive plays, instead of passively checking and calling so much. (You're seeing a lot of showdowns, and usually winning them, but the passivity means you're also giving villain the chance to realize his equity, or bluff you off yours).

Fixing your pre-flop play should get you on the right track. By looking at the Snowie Pre-flop advisor (press the button on the left), you can have a look at the kind of ranges tough regs play. (Note the BTNvSB and BTNvBB ranges, in particular). While I wouldn't recommend immediately trying to become a 24/17/8 player, if you have an idea of what pseudo-optimal ranges look like, you can see where you have scope to widen your ranges. Do it gradually at first, just adding a few combos. In particular, you've got to play more pots in the big blind, as a VPIP of 16% there is about half of what it should be in the long-term. Right now, anyone with a HUD will just see you in the BB and think "I'm stealing this guy's blinds with ATC". If people are stealing your blinds all the time, then it's really hard to make money.

I played a sesh implementing that (even though its a small sample and NL2 just for testing purposes) but I see it works.

*if i hadn't run my QQ into a set of TT in EP it would be higher

Great feedback Arty, thank you.

With regard to the PreflopAdvisor, am I reading this correctly? (Also, do these charts apply to both Zoom and normal 6-max tables?)

The below chart is me in the BB facing a 3x raise from the BTN:

It suggests that I:
- 3-bet QJo 19% of the time/call 81% of the time
- 3-bet Q9s 4% of the time/call 96% of the time



The below chart is when I raise from the BTN and am facing a 3-bet from the BB:

It suggests that I:
- 4-bet A8s 5% of the time
- flat QTs
- flat K7s

Yes, you're reading the charts correctly. Green means always raise, yellow means call, white means fold, and the numbers indicate raising as part of a mixed strategy.
You can't memorize the charts (especially with all the mixing), but you should be able to tell that you "should" be calling in the BB vs the BTN a lot more than you currently do. I wouldn't advise you to immediately start defending Q6s, or 3-betting T9s/77 at a high frequency, but if you usually draw the line at flatting K9s or QTs, try adding K8s and Q9s to your calling range, and occasionally 3-betting some of the hands you are currently flatting with.
Similarly when facing a 3-bet, you can see that a lot of suited hands can call in position. K6s, 75s and 53s are very weak (and basically break even at equilibrium vs players that 3-bet as often as Snowie does) so you don't have to call with those, but if you currently play very tight, you can at least see how much wider you'll want to be playing as you get better at poker and move up the limits.

I find Snowie ranges are great starting point for zoom games, with many unknown (and reasonably solid) players, but on regular tables there's much more scope for playing exploitatively. e.g. Not defending vs 3-bets by a total nit or someone playing 50/2.

The main point I wanted to get across is that you're currently playing way too tight to get much of an edge vs average players, let alone good ones. At 5NL, the regs will be stealing your blinds and 3-betting a lot in the SB, especially if they see that you're not doing much to stop them.

Points noted. Thanks again, Arty.
Studying the PreflopAdvisor alone will keep me busy for quite sometime, let alone fixing all the other leaks you have helped identify.

I have been grinding NL10 the past 8 weeks or so. I ran about just a tad below 30k hands, so a decent sample to make assumptions. Quite frankly, I can't show profit, actually I am in negative. I am looking for leaks in my game right now. I turned on the non-showdown line and nearly fainted

I know that the line is usually in the negative but I am pretty sure that 45*° degree is not normal. So something is wrong here. I could use advice on Filters in HEM that would help to isolate and find those nasty, horrible, horrible leaks

So here are my results...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2fqy8z9evz...sults.png?dl=0

You can see that non-showdown is losing more than showdown is making.

Now we filter by position..
This is UTG, HJ, CO, BTN....
https://www.dropbox.com/home/PUBLIC?...NOn+Blinds.png

This how I'd imagine the redline should look.


Now Blinds....
https://www.dropbox.com/home/PUBLIC?preview=Blinds.png

Boom! Exactly mirroring the first graph. I know that Blinds are losing seats, I get that. But this? What am I doing wrong?

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VPIP/PFR/3bet/AF

SB 22.8/12.1/3.53/2.31

BB 17.9/3.76/2.97/1.7

EP 13/12.7/NA/3.06

MP 15.5/14.4/3.68/2.83

CO 24.1/20.7/5/1.8

BTN 27.6/20.4/4.75/1.9

I can tell that I need to 3bet more from BB, a lot more!

In general, I should probably 3bet more and increase the AF. On both of which I have been working on last 3k hands.

WTSH (total) 28.3
W$SH (total) 51.7

W$WSF
SB 44.2 Rating 1.06
BB 37.3 Rating 0.88
EP 56.6 Rating 1.35
MP 51.1 Rating 1.20
CO 49.1 Rating 1.13
BTN 45.2 Rating 1.08

Can you just put a screengrab of your HEM/PT positional report on imgur? It would be really helpful, as then all the standard stats are in the right place. (i.e. the same kind of reports that Vancouver posted in #6624)

It has been years since I played poker. I had my (micro)share of the pokerboom but I'm nog beating anyone at the moment. This is my first 50k hands I've played since. I'm feeling bad about the results and wasn't very eager to post them in the open. It is rather painful to realise I'm far away of beating the lowest stake.

I've been playing Zoom NL while I'm on my nightshift. So part of me spewing away is me not being adjusted to the new rythm. Another excuse is that I'm playing quantity over quality and end up clicking away value. I hardly have spent time analysing my game. Main goal of this month was just playing poker and building up a decent sample to analyse and build from there. I've started buiilding up a preflop gameplan to make sure I have something to fall back on for the next month.

I look forward to your comments. Thanks in advance.

@ Nachtwerk, your main problem is that you're too loose and too aggro in just about every spot. Zoom plays very tight, so if you're seeing the flop with a wider/weaker range than the average player, you can't c-bet at a high frequency and expect to win at showdown the majority of the time.
I saw your threads about opening ranges, and sorting those out should put you in good stead, because your level of aggression should work very well if you start with slightly tighter/stronger ranges.
Something like 14% UTG, 18% MP, 25% CO, 40% BTN should work a treat. That will mean your c-betting ranges have more "quality" and less "quantity". i.e. You won't be c-betting with total air so often.

One minor stat that caught my eye was your "fold to steal" in the SB. At 78%, it's a little low. You shouldn't be playing more than 20% of hands in that seat if someone else has opened. You should mostly fold, but you can 3-bet about 15% vs CO or BTN. Give more respect to EP/MP opens and just fold more in the SB.

I think that once you've tightened up to about 22-23% overall VPIP, and continue to study (inc. posting hands on the forum) you'll probably start winning quite well.

20k hands at 2nlz, I've spotted a couple of things but any thoughts would be appreciated.

MMSS, I think those stats are probably very good numbers for 2NLz. You play a couple of percentage points looser than me, but the only stats that look very different to mine are the ones for "call 3-bet". I'm not sure if your software counts the calls in the same way that HEM does, as you should generally have similar calling frequencies (about 30-40%) for each position. I do a fair bit of pointless 4-bet bluffing, but I also flat a lot of 3-bets. How is that you apparently only flat 3-bets on the button 14.8% of the time? Unless your BTN RFI is like 60% or something, such that you can't defend vs 3bets at a high frequency, it seems you're way overfolding to resteals. (In my latest sample I had an RFI of 42% on the button and my number for 'Call 3bet' in that position was 34%. I probably call a bit too much.) If I understand your stats correctly, you're folding to 3-bets on the button about 80% of the time. While not everyone is 3-betting 15% in the SBvBTN, there are definitely a lot of regs that have wide 3-bet ranges in the SB, so there's scope for flatting fairly often.
The post-flop numbers look very good (I wish I could increase my c-betting frequency to something nearer your numbers). River Call Efficiency is on the high side at 1.84 though. I think you're once again giving too much credit to your opponents and are folding too often on the river. Maybe you had one particularly huge river call in the BB that overly affected the numbers in this sample, but an RCE of 3.3 in that position is incredible. I suspect you've been bluffed off more than your fair share of pots, and are generally x-folding slightly too many rivers. At 5NLz, the nits always seem to have it when they bet the river, but at 2NLz they show up with all kinds of nonsense.
As far as I can tell, nothing else looks out of line. You'll probably have to increase your 3-betting in MP/CO when you move up, but everything looks good so far.

I'll have a look at that 3b thing as it doesn't seem right. I definitely overfold in most spots but I think that's a pretty good adjustment for the pool who are folding far too much from the blinds and 3betting generally far too tight. The only thing I can assume is that it's calling a 3b in that position at any opportunity, i.e UTG opens MP 3bets I fold that lowers the %?

And ye I definitely overfold in spots when bet at too and take the thinking of needing to beat a proportion of their "value" range because never any bluffs. Definitely something to work on as I move up.

Thanks for the response.

Over the past 20k hands, my BB won without showdown has gone from +1,000 BB's to -1,000 BB's.

What does this mean? it's a drastic change.

Not just to answer my own question, but via google there is signifigant material available on the topic of a downward sloping redline. While, I haven’t read through much of it this old 2P2 post seems rather robust. It’s worth folks time who are interested in the question, and welcome other thoughts.

CotW: the last redline post ever.

I was going to suggest that seems likely. There are many different "3-bet", "call 3-bet" and "fold to 3-bet" stats, and each HUD/tracker uses different ones.

You've gone from being someone that doesn't fold much (either by being a station or by being an aggro-monkey), to someone that folds a fair bit.
It's possible to crush the game with a high redline, but most winning players have a negative one.

Hi! I've seen many really positive feedback being given here, so I decided to post mine stats here too. In advance, big thanks to anyone who spends his time to look into them.

In general, I've switched from NL25 FR 3BB/100 winning player to losing on NL10 SH, and within 4 months turned it into crushing NL10 and being b/e on NL25. I kept some of FR tightness and passivity, but I try to fight that as much as I can. I struggle with cbets (yeh, lolz), aggresion and cold calling on CO/BTN, which translates to tiny winrate. Nothing else I can point out myself, so I'd love to hear anything from you.




Volume is kinda small, I was thinking about adding NL10 stats to it, but decided not to, as I was trying to find there what works and what doesn't. Should I?

@Paraquat.

Pre-flop opening, cold-calling and 3-bet frequencies seem good. You can probably open a little more UTG and MP (aim for RFI of 14% and 18% or something like that).
You might need to fold to a few more 3-bets. Run the "call 3-bet" filter and see if you're losing more than 3bb per hand.
Your WTSD number is quite high, but you're still winning a decent amount of pots, so it's not a major problem. All your post-flop numbers look pretty solid actually. There's certainly no glaring leak that I can spot from the numbers, so you're just looking for marginal improvements with things like check-raising the flop (in the BB especially). Hardly anyone x-raises as much as they should.
Have you got a number for river call efficiency?

-1,96BB/100 calling 3bets, 1,47 river call eff.
River call eff looks slightly too high, I don't know how should winrate as 3bet caller look. I guess when I invest 3BB as open and by calling I don't fall below -3BB/100 I accomplish my goal.
How should these WTSD/WSD/WWSF stats should look like?

And thanks again, much appreciated

Oh those additional stats are good. No problems there. If you open for 3x and get 3-bet, you just want to lose less than 3bb per hand when you call.
WTSD, WSD and WWSF can be impacted by how loose or tight you play pre-flop, and your numbers for the latter two stats are well within the norms for winning regs. It can be hard to make money with a WTSD of >32% in the micros. (I've been breaking even with a high WTSD number like that). More commonly I'd expect to see a WTSD of 28, WSD of 55 and a WWSF of 45 or 46. Some more aggro players win more pots without seeing a showdown, so they will have lower WTSD, but higher WWSF. You're a bit of an anomaly in that your 'Won When Saw Flop' is quite high, but you're also seeing a lot of showdowns. That might actually be a good thing, as it indicates you're playing aggressively, but still winning at showdown the majority of the time.

Arty,

what would you say a common cbetting stats for flop/turn/river for a winning reg at the micros?

I think it's something like 55/40/30, but you can win with various styles and differing amounts of aggression. The biggest winners tend to be a little bit more aggro than average. I would love to have numbers like 55/45/35, but I'm just not that kind of player.

Do you have HEM? If you go to the OPPONENTS tab on the top bar, and choose SUMMARIES on the ribbon, you can see all kinds of stats for your player pool, and can use filters to reduce the number of players you want to study. (e.g. set it to >100 hands or choose "show winners only", so you eliminate most of the fish).

In this sample of 2NLz, I have very few players with whom I've played >50 hands, so none of the individual stats are very meaningful (and the biggest winners were most likely just on heaters), but you can see the averages for various stats on the orange bar at the bottom. (There are about 20 other stats available)


(Note: The average numbers on the orange bar are impacted by your own stats. It gives a flop c-bet number of 50.4% here, because my own low number dragged down the average of the players covered by this filter. The mean flop c-bet% for the "regs" was nearer 56. Median and mean averages are shown elsewhere on the HEM page and there's also some graphs that compare your own numbers to the averages for all the major stats.)

P.S. Note that even when you have 400 hands on someone and they are winning, they can still have 0% for river c-bet%. There's just so much variance in small samples that hud stats are pretty useless for river spots, until you've got a LARGE sample.

My player pool is smaller than Arty's so I have far more hands vs specific V's. Below is table of V's who I have over 1k hands with who are winners along with their c-bet frequencies. You can see the the winners are all over the place, with some commonalities but widespread differences. I'm actually rather surprised to see some of those players as winners, so be weary of sample sizes.
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About turn cbet, do you guys suggest having pure bluffing hands (strong 2 overcards maybe) along with our value hands, straight/flush draws, strong gutshots, and picked up equity?

Any answer to that would be too general. It completely depends on the situation. In any particular spot, you need to pick the "best" semi-bluffs. Sometimes you'll mostly have SDs/FDs (especially if you have loads of those in your range), but in other spots (drier boards) overcards might actually be among your best bluffing candidates.