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01-12-2014 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
be more aggressive postflop and also preflop (3bet more, especially from BTN and especially vs CO opens)
Play more hands in CO en BTN
flat more SB raises in the BB
Thanks, will try
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01-13-2014 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
oh

My VPIP(BTN) = 4* VPIP(UTG)
I can understand that at higher stakes. But in the micros, particularly if NL10 or below, there's simply not enough light 3-betting going on, so you can be much more loose from UTG imo. Not obviously advocating opening A2o, but something like pairs, KQ, AT+ is just often too tight imo, when opponents call raises with hands like Q8o or K2s.

Strangely, having recently moved from playing mostly NL10 to playing mostly NL20 I've noticed that I play LESS hands from the button than at NL10. At NL20, the blinds very often 3-bet, so there's not much point in opening hands that you can't 4-bet (either as bluffs or for thin value) with. At NL10, people just call in the blinds, then play predictably postflop.
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01-13-2014 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Barfunkel
I can understand that at higher stakes. But in the micros, particularly if NL10 or below, there's simply not enough light 3-betting going on, so you can be much more loose from UTG imo. Not obviously advocating opening A2o, but something like pairs, KQ, AT+ is just often too tight imo, when opponents call raises with hands like Q8o or K2s.

Strangely, having recently moved from playing mostly NL10 to playing mostly NL20 I've noticed that I play LESS hands from the button than at NL10. At NL20, the blinds very often 3-bet, so there's not much point in opening hands that you can't 4-bet (either as bluffs or for thin value) with. At NL10, people just call in the blinds, then play predictably postflop.
I am quite sure I will play less hands on the button when I move up to NL25. Now they all fold and call in the blinds and I can steal with impunity and win the pot or play a hand in position with the initiative.

At the moment they start 3betting your ass, you can't open those 73o and J2o anymore
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01-13-2014 , 02:14 PM
Hello,

I need some advice on my stats and how to plug some leaks/improve winnings. Also any general pointers about what to do better based on stats would be greatly appreciated.

All these are from 6-Max uNL
- 32k hands from 25NL zoom
- 20k hands from 10NL zoom or smaller
- about 4k hands are non-zoom.

Stats:


Graph:
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01-13-2014 , 02:58 PM
Jabari, you have no positional awareness whatsoever. You are raising more hands UTG than in the button. Do you like playing OOP?

Double your steal% in all positions. Also 3-bet more in late position and in the blinds vs aggro stealers.

Also you are way too passive. Bet and raise more, call less.
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01-13-2014 , 03:14 PM
Here are my 10nl stats:

And graph (red line check)
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01-13-2014 , 05:31 PM
These are my stats
NL5/NL10, the first 20K hands shorthanded
(I have played FR before and 6-max PLO)

Just wondering if this style will be good enough for NL25 (and NL50).

Note that my winnings are really helped by rung00t in AIEV and dodging blinds (ZOOM)



My stats and the average of 245 players I have most hands on

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01-13-2014 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishtankz
Here are my 10nl stats:

And graph (red line check)
I think this looks pretty good, you should cbet a bit less and 3bet a bit more imo
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01-15-2014 , 07:46 AM
Hi,
I could really use some help.
I'm playing 10Nl Zoom but not going well so far.

Anyone could point out some leaks or improvements that I could make on my game ?

My stats;


My graph:


Thanks!
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01-15-2014 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Heimdallr
Hi,
I could really use some help.
I'm playing 10Nl Zoom but not going well so far.

Anyone could point out some leaks or improvements that I could make on my game ?

My stats;


My graph:


Thanks!

one thing that stands out is that your cold calling far too much from the SB. In fact your calling more from the SB than you are on the BTN. So you should look to switching those around.
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01-16-2014 , 09:34 AM
Can someone please explain me how to come up with the stats in the HUD?
I use HM2 and I cant take out all of the stats at once, I have to filter it first for ep,mp etc.
How to make it so they all show up (ep mp hj co D sb bb) ?
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01-16-2014 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wellfvcku
Can someone please explain me how to come up with the stats in the HUD?
I use HM2 and I cant take out all of the stats at once, I have to filter it first for ep,mp etc.
How to make it so they all show up (ep mp hj co D sb bb) ?
You chose on 'More Reports' and select 'Position'.
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01-16-2014 , 03:48 PM
thank you @Heimdallr
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01-16-2014 , 05:59 PM
Is it OK to post other stats questions here?

I play 2NL.
Over 20k hands, I have an avg winrate of 8.75 bb/100, though it may be higher now that I've improved my play a bit. (I started playing this christmas; before that, I hadn't played for a few years.)
This week the winrate is 17 bb/100 though over just 6k hands.
However, I was horrified when I looked at my turn/river non-showdown stats though.

Saw turn, did not see river:


Saw river, did not see showdown:


I know that a negative redline is fairly common, but is this common at the micros?

The HEM2 intro tutorial on post game analysis shows great profit at both. I have awesome showdown winnings, but horrible non-showdown.

Overall stats:


I'm also not sure exactly why W$SD, WTSD, overall aggression and win rate are all down on the button, either.
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01-16-2014 , 06:27 PM
Hi Everybody.

My Stats thru 17K Hands @ 20NL.

Any Tips/Hints on my Leaks or my Stats in general appreciated

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01-17-2014 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Telrunya
Is it OK to post other stats questions here?

I play 2NL.
Over 20k hands, I have an avg winrate of 8.75 bb/100, though it may be higher now that I've improved my play a bit. (I started playing this christmas; before that, I hadn't played for a few years.)
This week the winrate is 17 bb/100 though over just 6k hands.
However, I was horrified when I looked at my turn/river non-showdown stats though.

Saw turn, did not see river:


Saw river, did not see showdown:


I know that a negative redline is fairly common, but is this common at the micros?

The HEM2 intro tutorial on post game analysis shows great profit at both. I have awesome showdown winnings, but horrible non-showdown.

Overall stats:


I'm also not sure exactly why W$SD, WTSD, overall aggression and win rate are all down on the button, either.
Adapting your playing style to some random stat is not natural and the wrong way to think about poker imo

If you want to improve, think about which hands you play in which spot (position/opponents) and how to play them. Verify where you are playing hands unprofitably or with insufficient profit and figure out how to improve on those leaks
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01-17-2014 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
Adapting your playing style to some random stat is not natural and the wrong way to think about poker imo

If you want to improve, think about which hands you play in which spot (position/opponents) and how to play them. Verify where you are playing hands unprofitably or with insufficient profit and figure out how to improve on those leaks
I absolutely agree, but I'm not sure how to find those. If I look at individual hands I've lost, they would usually be +EV if I only ignore 1 or 2 big losses per hand. In other words, variance most likely means the results are meaningless so far.

Since it seems I lose on the turn/river with most hands (except those where I actually get them to fold, which seems to be the exception, not the rule), I'm assuming something is wrong.

On the flip side, having a negative redline is common (and I do have one), so I figured that since that *is* non-showdown winnings, perhaps these kinds of stats are actually normal/hard to avoid at 2NL (but treatable at 10-25 NL or so)?
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01-17-2014 , 08:27 AM
I've watched the video that Telrunya mentioned.

And there they say that if you are loosing money on:
-Saw flop YES, saw showdown NO
-Saw turn YES, saw showdown NO
-Saw river YES, saw showdown NO

Then 'you are being played at, more than you are playing back'. Something like this.
The guy on the video had pretty solid results, something like 7bb/100 on 25NL and 50NL
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01-18-2014 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Heimdallr
I've watched the video that Telrunya mentioned.

And there they say that if you are loosing money on:
-Saw flop YES, saw showdown NO
-Saw turn YES, saw showdown NO
-Saw river YES, saw showdown NO

Then 'you are being played at, more than you are playing back'. Something like this.
The guy on the video had pretty solid results, something like 7bb/100 on 25NL and 50NL
I never thought about these stats, but I have them all positive

isn't it easier to look at W$WSF, the more pots you win through aggression
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01-19-2014 , 09:30 AM
Hi, im currently multitabling 12-15 NL5 6max tables on pokerstars
I started yesterday and played 6k hands (+45,44 net, 14,36 bb/100, 2 buy ins above EV though)

Would appreciate if someone check my stats and tell me my biggest leaks

Stats overall:

VPIP: 27,2
PFR: 23
3BET: 9,91
WTSD%: 23,9
W$SD%: 41,1
Agg: 4,46
Agg%: 55,8
Flop cbet : 88,1% (too high?)
Turn cbet : 56,7%
River cbet : 37,2%
Flop called vs cbet: 41,3%
Flop cbet success: 51,9%



also some position stats:

VPIP PFR 3BET
SB 29,7---- 23,8---- 8,8
BB 21,2---- 10,7---- 10,5
EP 19,6---- 19,6---- na
MP 22,3---- 21,2---- 6,31
CO 26,4---- 24,2---- 6,77
BTN 39,1---- 35,0---- 13,2


also my call vs 3bet should be at...?


ALSO VERY IMPORTANT: my showdown winnings are at -34,11$ and my NON showdown are at +78,95$, is this a big mistake and all my earnings are because of variance? (only 6k hands) or is it ok to have a positive red line and a negative blue line at these stakes? (5NL 6max)

Last edited by Gonzalo0p; 01-19-2014 at 09:36 AM.
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01-19-2014 , 05:08 PM
oh wow 55% agg%.

My agg% is 41% and the average of the other regs is like 31%, so you are hyperaggressive, which explains the positive red line.

There is not much difference between your PFR in UTG and CO and I think it should be more
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01-19-2014 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
oh wow 55% agg%.

My agg% is 41% and the average of the other regs is like 31%, so you are hyperaggressive, which explains the positive red line.

There is not much difference between your PFR in UTG and CO and I think it should be more
is this so bad? should I start to cbet less?
also you mean I should open more from the CO or open less from UTG?

Thanks for advice

PS: what about my 3bet range? too large?
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01-20-2014 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Gonzalo0p
is this so bad? should I start to cbet less?
also you mean I should open more from the CO or open less from UTG?

Thanks for advice

PS: what about my 3bet range? too large?
I didn't say "bad", it just said "aggressive". If this style wins for you and you don't mind spewing off a stack sometimes with a bluff, no reason to change your style.

I'd open less from UTG and more from CO. Your VPIP/PFR should increase progressively with your position

Your 3bet% is fine imo
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01-21-2014 , 06:20 AM
I'm beating 10nl at a nice clip but am getting spanked at 20nl. I'm playing a bit tighter at 20nl, but my VPIP/PFR ratio is still good.

I can see that I've got a nice redline at 10nl and average at 20nl.

Are the players that much better at 20nl? I watch a bunch of training vids - am I leveling myself and falling prey to FPS at 20nl and playing ABC at 10nl?

Thanks









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01-24-2014 , 03:38 AM
Motivated by this:
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Originally Posted by Heimdallr
And there they say that if you are loosing money on:
-Saw flop YES, saw showdown NO
-Saw turn YES, saw showdown NO
-Saw river YES, saw showdown NO
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I was playing around with some questions of where the money comes from preflop. Firstly, I have always been one of those guys with a relatively straight positive blue line, negative red line, and winnings that are trivial in comparison to the magnitude of my red or blue winnings.

In particular, the lion's share of my red line comes from preflop (ie hands that don't see the flop). The answer to these three stats is: slightly negative, slightly positive, breakeven. But all of the post flop non showdown is a triviality. And then a massive figure for showdown winnings.

So my question is this: for people who manage to play a positive red line style, where is this coming from? I play 23/18 pre, so I presume that someone who is laggier is going to lose a little less than I do in the don't-see-flop spots, but it is still going to be a huge negative. But for me even if I was to entirely reverse my postflop winnings so I had a neutral showdown and massive nonshowdown after seeing the flop, that would mean my lines would look pretty flat for both. And I already see myself as relatively aggressive, so I am just having trouble seeing the positive red line, negative blue line stat profile. Perhaps there are some examples from earlier this thread of how people do that?
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