I'm interested in your thoughts on this line in a 3b pot against a decent aggressive reg (I'll explain my thought process below the HH):







On the flop, checking with AA is a low frequency play for me to keep my checking range somewhat balanced. on the A turn I decide to lead because it improves my range much more than his, so I don't see him barrel this spot a lot even with his draws. Additionally my blockers mean that he's very rarely going to be valuecutting himself with strong Aces on this turn. On the river I decide to check to him with my boat thinking that he will jam all his AK+ (maybe AQ+) anyway and likely fold most of his worse pairs, thus giving him a chance to bluff with missed straight draws and backdoor flush draws.

let me know your thoughts.

Like ur flop c/c and turn lead...

But shouldn't u bet big OTR, since u have (or should have, if u donk the turn) all kinda FD and st8draw here? (and u are anyways pretty polarized OTR with that donk OTT)

Or if not, what other hands are u donking OTT?

River check is weird. I feel like he's checking back every river unless he has a boat, or 4 J's.

He still calls with plenty of hands that are behind.

I think you missed out on a lot of value on this hand. I would cbet flop, bet more on turn to set myself up for a river jam that wasn't too big compared to the size of the pot.

Why you think A is better for you then for him?

Flop play, I can see putting AA in c/c range agaisnt a reg(an aggressive one in particular)
Turn donk could be good. You can have all sort of draws that want to see the next card on your price as well as some A high flop floads.
River check is really strange to me...
You say he might fire his miss draws, if he has that, why would you check flop?
You want to under-rep your hand, all right, but what kind of a bluff does x/c flop,donk turn and check river?!?
If I'm in villains shoes, I wouldn't even bet AK on the river!
You want to polorize your hand on the river to get him to hero call you with the kind of hand he has.
So next time you take this line, are you going to have miss draws on the river that checked and gave up?!?
Imo, Villain played this hand perfectly and your line just doesn't make any sense to me...

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River play is good for sure.We dont have many Jx when we lead turn so this card hits his range super hard and not at all ours and our hand blocks bunch of his calling range so we should let him bluff there is no way he is checking beck and draws Jx and yes maybe we lose value form Ax but given our blockers he has very few of them otr.

villain shouldn't be betting many AQ/AK whereas we x/c most of those combos

flop is fine at some frequency. don't mind the lead ott, but i think we're gonna struggle coming up with enough bluffs in this spot and a thinking villain should recognize this. i would probably continue to check and let him fire away with his bluffs as its gonna be really hard to get multi streets of value with our blockers anyway. riv x is good with our whole range as villain will show up with a lot more Jx than hero

Not much reason to check and hope he bluffs. You miss out on too much value. I think villain is going to check back too often, and he can still pay us off with Jx or he can get sticky with some PP's/Ax that he'd otherwise check back.

What bluffs does V have here?
Some random combos of spades maybe? and some missed str8?

Don't understand why you aren't betting river here 100% of the time for value. If your opponent has a hand like Ax Jx etc he's calling any bet here. Anything else he's just checking/folding either way only hand you lose to is JJ...

I think theyre just saying that villains range is more likely to hold Jx hands, and villain knows this, so hes more likely to try to bluff the river. Probably pretty villain dependant. Imo its a safer move to just lead out the river for value even though we block a few hands villain could call with.

+1

Because the A doesn't improve most of his flop value range and mostly misses his bluffing range as well. I rarely see regs just firing out AQ, AK on these flops when checked to ip, whereas I still have all my AQ+ in my range.

I agree that finding bluffs may be tough, but against his under third pot sizing on the flop I'll at least have all the KQ combos with backdoor fd, potentially some offset ones as well.

re donking on the turn I believe that I would mostly use KQs combos as bluffs (and ideally add some others, possibly tiny sdv hands as well) and probably AQ+ for value. the check on the river cannot be bad because - as others in this thread already commented - the J does not hit our range at all and would be quite an ambitious card to bluff jam a lot on.

I hear u. And more I think this, I like ur river check. Obv u think level above me

J hits his range obv better and u try to juice a c/r OTR.
Surely u are betting any other river here, besides J (and maybe 8?)?

J is a wayyy better card for his range OTR, and he might decide to spazz/turn some hands into a bluff or bluff some missed straight draws. Betting is just a huge mistake, I think he even folds AQ/A10s & everything but the nuts (quads/boats/trips) to this line because this is just an awful spot for us to be bluffing river.

I like flop check. This is a much better board for his range, and realistically against a reg, we are just never getting three streets of value from worse without us having a crazy, wild image.

Not sure I really agree with turn donk. If we had AK or AQ that decided to x/c flop, we are basically bluff-catching at this point so betting makes no sense at all. I think a reg calling the turn bet with anything less than a good draw/two pair/strong Ax/set is just pretty awful. Also, how can we ever be bluffing this spot? If we had a hand like KQss or some other backdoor spades, we would probably 1/3 or 40% flop and look to barrel a lot of turns.

Think pre is also way too big.

it shouldn't be, especially if we're 3betting a linear range (which we should be) from sb, not to mention our nutted pair adv

Well, I guess I exaggerated when I said "much better" for his range. But yeah, I'd still say it slightly favors his range and I don't mind checking AA here and betting say KK because AA doesn't fear any turns/isnt vulnerable to any overcards