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06-22-2008 , 06:56 AM
Villain is std 2p2 tag. Not much history, just standart 3bets/4bets, flop c-rs.

Full Tilt Poker $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

sirstackems (BB): $1782.00
Kinetica (UTG): $303.00
tonyac2511 (MP): $407.75
Hero (CO): $1032.00
waitamin08 (BTN): $1382.00
Mr_Sason (SB): $222.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $35, waitamin08 raises to $120, 2 folds, Hero calls $85

Flop: ($255.00) 2 J 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, waitamin08 checks

Turn: ($255.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $170, waitamin08 raises to $1262 all in

I usually just 4bet-call pre, but this time I chose to call and check-raise many flops.
I was going to bet turn, push river, but wait... wat? Am I completly crazy for wanting to call this? His line just doesnt make any sense w/ any made hand and looks a lot like clubs or some spazz airshove. But it wouldnt be nice if he have AK though

Last edited by lkjhgfdsa; 06-22-2008 at 07:22 AM.
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06-22-2008 , 07:52 AM
Just fold. He doesnt expect you to that much here given his flop check.
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06-22-2008 , 09:08 AM
I don't think he's good/dumb enough to shove AK on turn - I think he's got you beat actually the vast majority of the time.
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06-22-2008 , 09:14 AM
got me beat w/ what?
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06-22-2008 , 09:21 AM
I don't know, but his PF 3-bet range is tight enough for him to have you beat on that flop like always. From what I've seen anyway (and so, yeah, I think 4-bet/calling PF is somewhat spewy against him).
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06-22-2008 , 09:31 AM
You dont know... nice
What does his flop check means? Usually it means a marginal hand w/ showdown value or air and rarely monsters and for marginal hands and monsters his shove on this turn makes zero sense.
Also his 3bet frequences are different CO vs BTN especially against me (25/22).

Last edited by lkjhgfdsa; 06-22-2008 at 09:38 AM.
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06-22-2008 , 09:39 AM
As much as he could spazz out and play KQs like this (I'm not sure what his range is PF, so I'm trying to find A hand you beat that he could have), he could spazz out and play AA the same. So this is really a question of what his PF 3-bet range is - because even if he spazzes out with 22 here, you're screwed, and you really need him to have like AT and such in his PF range for calling here to make some remote sense.
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06-22-2008 , 09:43 AM
ok, so what the minimum hand you're calling with? 88+?
Btw I think he def have a lot of low-middle suited aces / suited connectors in his 3betting range here.
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06-22-2008 , 09:52 AM
I'm pretty sure I call with Jx+, not so sure about 88-TT.

Which makes me think that I should pull villain's line sometime, lol, it is pretty confusing in that he's not even trying to rep anything.
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06-22-2008 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Eddi

Which makes me think that I should pull villain's line sometime, lol, it is pretty confusing in that he's not even trying to rep anything.
Yeah, I was thinking the same
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06-22-2008 , 09:56 AM
yeah its spazzy but we still have A-high instead of a pair so whatya gonna do
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06-22-2008 , 09:58 AM
i think if villain would want to try to bluff at this pot, he would have done it on the flop. if he thinks you try to take a stab at the pot on the turn relatively often, a slowplay with aa/kk is fine and even better with jj. though jj is a little less likely with that turn line.
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06-22-2008 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by donkeykong2
if he thinks you try to take a stab at the pot on the turn relatively often, a slowplay with aa/kk is fine and even better with jj. though jj is a little less likely with that turn line.
That doesnt make any sense to me. If he thinks I am bluffing, wouldnt it be better to just call and let me continue betting w/ air?

Last edited by lkjhgfdsa; 06-22-2008 at 10:19 AM.
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06-22-2008 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lkjhgfdsa
That doesnt make any sense to me. If he thinks I am bluffing, wouldnt it be better to just call and let me continue betting w/ air?
Why? Looks like you are tempted to make a hero call.
Weird lines are fun!
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06-22-2008 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by lkjhgfdsa
got me beat w/ what?
His entire range - what are you beating?
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06-22-2008 , 10:54 AM
quick pokerstove shows you've got 46.594% equity vs random cards with AQ on this board

hope that helps!
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06-22-2008 , 11:14 AM
quick calc shows you've got to have 35.7% equity vs villains range to make this a break even call

hope that helps!
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06-22-2008 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RollinHand
Why? Looks like you are tempted to make a hero call.
Weird lines are fun!
I doubt he's on that level.

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Originally Posted by Zeestein
quick pokerstove shows you've got 46.594% equity vs random cards with AQ on this board

hope that helps!
And what? How is it relevant to this hand? Are you trying to say that he always 3bets any two preflop then checks back with it on that flop and finaly push over my turn bet or you just want to be funny?

Last edited by lkjhgfdsa; 06-22-2008 at 11:34 AM.
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06-22-2008 , 11:42 AM
I defiantly think you can see a lot of hands that have picked up a FD do this, like KcQc
or an even larger part of his range would be like Acxc where he figured he had SD value but then when you bet the turn he decides to semi bluff shove.
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06-22-2008 , 11:52 AM
just another way of restating that AQ don't beat enough spazzy bluffs to make a call good, 4c5c, Ac4c, dumb 88-TT/Jx etc etc

and obv you folded but somewhat regreted it, but nobody calls this with AQ and everybody probably calls this with A7+
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