BTN is 11/8 after 215 hands pretty solid, 66% fold to flop cbet after 6 hands, SB is 12/11 after 60 hands. I checked flop because i was going to checkraise BTN but when SB called that threw a wrench in it. So I just called. BTN fired again and SB called again and i decided to fold. Pretty sure I was beat. Thoughts?

i dont like checking the flop but folding the turn is fine

can you put anyone on 87 here

Considering you are the preflop raiser why are you checking the flop?

I would lead flop and read villians actions

The river action indicates your turn fold was more than likely correct of reading 7

Gee you could have played this hand better

Why are you going for a C/R on the flop? Why should some halfstacker change your plan?

Bet the flop

Lead the flop.

Holy crap batman bet the flop. Why do you think that the BTN is going to bet so that you can checkraise? The check on the flop is ruthless without some sort of crazy read.

Despite being out of position, there's absolutely no reason to believe you are behind at any point in this hand so far - but you'd gain this information easier if you bet initially. You had the initiative preflop, and then you gave it up completely once an innocent looking flop came. As you played it you can't really give up check-calling at any point... but that's what you've forced yourself into for the rest of the hand. Any other play from now is just spew.

And just to make it pretty clear - despite the fact you're playing at the micros - if you consider this player to be anywhere close to solid, he doesn't fall under the typical micro stakes player. If you check-raise the flop, he's immediately going to put you on at the VERY LEAST an overpair which is exactly what you have - and the money is only going to go in only if he's got you beaten. However, if you make the initial bet - he's going to raise you with hands that he thinks beat you or has good equity (sets, OESD, flush draws), but he'll call the flop with hands he thinks MIGHT be best or with those other draws mentioned before - 1010, 88, 77, 66, 44. You lose a ton of value you would have had from betting your hand by giving up initiative and putting yourself in a really gross spot where you are unable to read the hand that your opponent might have.

This response may have been long-winded... but bottom line: terrible check on the flop.

you can start by betting the flop and make it actually look like you have some sort of line consistency

you're plan to check-raise an 11/8 for value here is ill advised. if you think he will bet very often to a missed c-bet and fold very often to a c-bet, well, i guess i could be talked into check-raising. once you decide to do this, the sb flatting the btn should make you more inclined to raise. if the sb shoves, you have to call assuming btn folds, but you're probably beat. if the btn shoves, you're just beat and can probably get away.

.flop the bet

time to hit the jam button (before clicking spoiler box)

Bet Flop. Easy fold on Turn.

Checking with the intention of c/raising a tight player on the flop seems like a terrible idea as you'll effectively be turning KK into a bluff. Once you do check and BTN bets though, the fact that SB calls makes it a much better spot to raise, not worse.

Thanks for posting the long-winded response. I learned something from it as well as the other posts in this thread.

I think I end up jamming the turn, because it's an easier way to play it and im lazy, but calling might be better if I could be bothered to think about this a little more.

I don't think it can be a fold. I mean your basically putting BTN on a flopped set or 78s (neither of these guys are calling 78o pre which makes a huge difference) thats like 13 combos of hands, a tiny range. BTN is very tight I would imagine he's flatting QQ preflop here at least half the time, (but I am quite inexperienced with 3betting ranges at full ring as I have just moved from 6max). If he's got JJ and TT preflop he's probably playing them this way, so even if you discount QQ by half that's 9 combos that your crushing as bad as his sets crush you. I count at least 6 flush draws he could have here even giving him a very tight calling range preflop.

Im not too worried about SB I don't see him flatting sets on this turn very often given his stack size, it makes the board look very drawy, even if it doesnt really add much to preflop ranges. He could have the occasional 78s but again there is only 4 combos of that and it means he floated the flop with a gutter on a flush draw board.

In my experience these two suited lowish card flops, 80% of players will fire a bullet because my range includes two overs ie. AK. I was planning to check raise because if BTN is a solid reg he'll probably try and steal the pot with medium pairs, overs, and draws. I agree that the blind overcall on the flop probably gave me better odds to check raise and obviously call the blind's shove since his range is definitely wider than the BTN's range.

I agree I should've c bet the flop in most cases and reevaluate on the turn and/or reevaulate if i get raised. However, this is a type of board where a good player will raise with an ace high flush draw ie. AKcc AQcc etc., an over pair/medium pair ie. 88, 77, and with a set, putting me in a very tough position with KK. As I said, I suspect the BTN as a reg, possibly on the thinking side and thus is capable of raising for value and as a semi bluff. Since I didn't cbet the flop I put myself in a tough spot anyways. I think I may have over thinked in this particular hand.