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01-28-2011 , 06:16 PM
I played with villain in lower stakes few times, however i dont really have any strong reads.
he should know that my main games are 2-4- 5-10, and assumes that im taking a shot so maybe it should get more credit
how about my sizing, maybe shove is better?
I think villain has small flush here always, he is never raising worst, and not bluffing much.
I assume he would bet bigger flush draws on flop


Poker Stars $2000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $2000.00
Hero (BB): $2060.00
UTG: $2030.00
CO: $7811.10
BTN: $2819.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is BB with K Q
2 folds, BTN raises to $40, 1 fold, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($90.00) 2 6 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($90.00) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $60.00, BTN calls $60

River: ($210.00) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $140.00, BTN raises to $420, Hero raises to $1140
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01-28-2011 , 06:22 PM
i like
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01-28-2011 , 06:23 PM
Wouldn't flush draws continuation bet that flop?

I don't think you are bluffing here, I think you are getting value from QJ, QT often
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01-28-2011 , 06:33 PM
I'll NEVER understand the logic behind these kind of moves. Let me say though, I'm only a small stakes player just browsing the high stakes posts, I've never played higher than 1/2.

What's the point of turning anything into a bluff, besides K-high or worse? Even ace high often has plenty of showdown value against missed draws. You've got plenty of showdown value on this river. He could have a worse queen, he could be bluff raising himself w/ J10 or 78.
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01-28-2011 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
I'll NEVER understand the logic behind these kind of moves. Let me say though, I'm only a small stakes player just browsing the high stakes posts, I've never played higher than 1/2.

What's the point of turning anything into a bluff, besides K-high or worse? Even ace high often has plenty of showdown value against missed draws. You've got plenty of showdown value on this river. He could have a worse queen, he could be bluff raising himself w/ J10 or 78.
once you start to understand the logic, you can play higher than 1-2
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01-28-2011 , 06:50 PM
Yah not a fan. All the small flush draws are combos draws on the flop so I think you are good often enough to call here. Would rather turn like AJ or something into a bluff here.

-Mike
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01-28-2011 , 07:08 PM
he has AQ and he's probably not folding it. what is this.
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01-28-2011 , 07:58 PM
not sure its a great idea to try to fold out a FLUSH if you think he has that often. Also think shove is better than this if you wanna bluff
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01-28-2011 , 08:13 PM
he has Q2/Q5 a lot(is he opening the offsuit versions?), will hero call AQ/the rare flush some and is likely bluffing some. Do not like.
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01-28-2011 , 11:54 PM
I think I'm into this, provided that donking isn't a predominant part of your strategy in these spots on the flop. If he can eliminate a lot of sets and flush draws from your range, I think it's pretty close to a fold as this is at least KQ for value and an ambitious spot to try to get folds from Qx (ie- as you said, super unlikely to be a bluff). Seems like he wants a call at least so question is just how often he will fold. To that effect, I think you would do better to make at least a somewhat larger raise like 12+
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01-29-2011 , 12:48 AM
I just don't think people will raise/fold flushes and better hands to b/3b on rivers to good opponents anymore. If he has better and played it as such I just don't see him folding it to you. MAAYYYBBEEE if you have a read about his showdown decision making or something
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01-29-2011 , 02:29 AM
what is the range that you beat that checks back the flop and can call this river, given that you have a queen here?
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01-29-2011 , 06:53 AM
Don't like it, also think I'd rather bet it all if I'm gonna make the play
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01-29-2011 , 07:38 AM
i like it if you are deeper, jamming like at least 1600$+
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01-29-2011 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sasha
once you start to understand the logic, you can play higher than 1-2
shut up

just cos you make a fancy play that isnt normal doesnt make it right or amazing and it doesnt make you cool

starting this thread trying to show off your fancy play
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01-29-2011 , 10:28 AM
Personally I find this horrible. A majority of your FE comes from him folding a worse hand. Since when do people not cbet flush draws?
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01-29-2011 , 10:39 AM
balance.
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01-29-2011 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by THEGOATIAN
shut up

just cos you make a fancy play that isnt normal doesnt make it right or amazing and it doesnt make you cool

starting this thread trying to show off your fancy play
i ddint start this cause im cool, I started it because i got snapped by 65dd
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01-29-2011 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanhaomena
Personally I find this horrible. A majority of your FE comes from him folding a worse hand. Since when do people not cbet flush draws?
It is pretty bad. Repin' slow played set or air. Very unlikely villain is raising for thin value /w Qx. You can only make this play after villain thinks hero is incapable of bluffing in this spot. It's also bad because even random high stakes players have a hard time folding 2 pocket diamonds here.
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01-29-2011 , 06:31 PM
yeah, i mean when people play fancy way their draws like this and they hit, they are way more unlikely to fold it.
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01-29-2011 , 07:47 PM
I like your river line but I'd jam for sure
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01-30-2011 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ITSOVER9000
he has Q2/Q5 a lot(is he opening the offsuit versions?), will hero call AQ/the rare flush some and is likely bluffing some. Do not like.
this
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01-30-2011 , 04:37 PM
If you think he has weak flushdraws he can have 87 too among other things. And I don't see why he cannot have QT/QJ on the river.

Overall I think a call is better as he would cbet most flush draws and sets and quite a few of AQ-s.
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01-30-2011 , 05:22 PM
this could potentially be a valuebet if villain is 43forty
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01-30-2011 , 09:21 PM
If you're going to bluff, shove river.

FWIW I like the bluff as villain never has a boat and is faced with a sick spot with whatever flush he has.
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