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07-05-2009 , 05:53 AM
Opponent is a strong regular who had been 3-betting liberally (30-40% of the time).


Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $400.00
BB: $408.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with T K
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($40.00) 4 9 J (2 players)
BB bets $33, Hero calls $33

Turn: ($106.00) Q (2 players)
BB bets $82, Hero calls $82

River: ($270.00) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $265 all in, BB requests TIME, BB folds
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07-05-2009 , 05:58 AM
i think u played it well, nh.
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07-05-2009 , 06:27 AM
no, but something i did when i started playing hu cash wehn i had a set or the nizzles, i'd check if my lines were okay, and if i maximized value, i think u played it great, nh.
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07-05-2009 , 06:56 AM
I wouldn't shove the river. I'd bet somewhere around $160-180. The only thing I can see you getting value from is like a stubborn Jx and I don't think that's calling a shove.
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07-05-2009 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by nebuer
I wouldn't shove the river. I'd bet somewhere around $160-180. The only thing I can see you getting value from is like a stubborn Jx and I don't think that's calling a shove.
yeah i dont think id shove the river, but shoving isnt really too bad. overall nh
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07-05-2009 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by nebuer
I wouldn't shove the river. I'd bet somewhere around $160-180. The only thing I can see you getting value from is like a stubborn Jx and I don't think that's calling a shove.
What nebuer said, $165 seems best to me. You need to think about what you're trying to get value from. His range is not very strong here so unless you put him on QJ, shoving is kindda pointless.
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07-05-2009 , 08:52 AM
could we bet very small to induce? like 80 or do we lose too much value in this spot?
for metagame purposes if we get called we can steal pots for cheap later.
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07-05-2009 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by thejumpoff
could we bet very small to induce? like 80 or do we lose too much value in this spot?
for metagame purposes if we get called we can steal pots for cheap later.
You need some supergood read on villain that he spazzes when you make a weak bet AND that he will turn a made hand into a bluff in reaction to your bet. Given how the hand played out, his most likely holding is some weak 2 pair type hand (Jx probably).

For the most part we're just missing value out the hands that he's calling with... and this is a spot where villain generally C/C's or C/F's.
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07-05-2009 , 02:24 PM
Aero,

What hands call for $165 that don't call the ship?

The ship looks bluffier than $165 also.
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07-05-2009 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerChamp
Aero,

What hands call for $165 that don't call the ship?

The ship looks bluffier than $165 also.
Jx, I doubt he's calling a ship on the river but is more likely to call a smaller bet... unless you have some read that villain is prone to making hero calls.
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07-05-2009 , 06:43 PM
well played, and on river, come on guys, shove and isn't close. just shove!!!
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07-05-2009 , 07:37 PM
min raise turn, help him make a ******ed decision with 910 and J10
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07-05-2009 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by urubu111
well played, and on river, come on guys, shove and isn't close. just shove!!!
We're better off raising turn if we wanna get value then shoving the river for a pot sized bet tbh...
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07-05-2009 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1441
We're better off raising turn if we wanna get value then shoving the river for a pot sized bet tbh...
It depends on villain. A lot of villains will 3-barrel a lot of cards here with hands we beat and we extract value by letting him bet. However it happens the board paired this time and he decided to check whatever weak showdown hand he had. There are very few hands that would call a turn raise that aren't leading out on a ton of river cards imo.
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07-05-2009 , 08:01 PM
min raise him on the turn imo. You made the nuts on the turn, and you should be looking to get your whole stack in by the river. With a strong bet from villain on the turn, a min raise would put the pot just over 430, and leaving just over 180 for the river shove...you'd be creating and enticing a more pot commitment call by the river this way.
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07-06-2009 , 01:31 AM
I agree with the first couple of respondents, I think I played it perfectly but he just happened to either have air or decided not to make the hero call this time.

I think raising the turn would have been awful as it makes the villain go away when he has air or a made hand which he feels has no showdown value vs. a turn raise rather than present him with the tempting prospect of being able to take down the pot with a pot-sized all-in on the river.

I also did consider betting small on the river to induce a shove but decided it was more likely he would make a hero call than he would come over the top of a small bet - based on my table read really.

All in all I posted because I had doubt about what I did but am glad to see all the opinions and feel better now that I actually did do the right thing against this guy at this time.
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07-06-2009 , 01:35 AM
i think you played this perfect. not every 200nl reg 3 barrels what they should, a lot of them puss out and c/c the river.
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