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10-20-2008 , 02:36 AM

ihearthawrilenko

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Villain is 15/10/3 over 75 hands (gujral). Haven't really seen him do anything.

Just bet/fold turn? Given my check call, can I call river? He is tight, so I feel like he should have me beat. But otoh, I would think he'd raise a set on the flop, so his likely hands might include QJs, maybe AJh, etc.

Thoughts?

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10-20-2008 , 02:37 AM

ihearthawrilenko

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Poker Stars $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $687.00
BTN: $895.80
SB: $2518.85
BB: $600.00
UTG: $1029.55
Hero (MP): $684.15

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is MP with Q

1 fold, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, BTN calls $24, 2 folds

Flop: ($57.00) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $42, BTN calls $42

Turn: ($141.00) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $78, Hero calls $78

River: ($297.00) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $180, Hero folds

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10-20-2008 , 03:16 AM

jpz99

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wtf? i guess if you dont 2barrel much u can c/r but i wouldnt against a guy with fairly narrow flatting range pre. AQ, QQ are like the only possible hands that he should have here that beat you unless he was just completely card dead and is actually flatting with QTs stuff. given that you have played this hand to = JT, KT, AT i believe you need to call.

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10-20-2008 , 03:29 AM

ihearthawrilenko

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ya, i just saw his tight stats so figured im probably behind. is just betting turn best? river is still tough, though, if he calls and bets a blank.

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10-20-2008 , 03:38 AM

jpz99

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umm well you shouldnt be checking that river anyway. you should be firing it a decent amount with air/missed hearts so he might look you up w 77 or whatnot. its hard to say what i would do to a raise anywhere because your checks give us 0 info and we know he never has 44, 99, TT

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10-20-2008 , 03:44 AM

ihearthawrilenko

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Originally Posted by jpz99

u mean i should bet riv often after i bet and he calls turn. or should i donk river even w/ my turn check call?

not really sure what to put a tight player on here, who calls pre and then calls flop. kj, KQh, AQh is all that really makes much sense to me.

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10-20-2008 , 05:30 AM

NinaWilliams

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I don't think KhQh, AhQh, KJ are especially likely hands for him to have.

I'm barrel the turn because there are quite a few hands I can be double barreling with.

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10-20-2008 , 11:05 AM

ihearthawrilenko

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Originally Posted by NinaWilliams

I don't think KhQh, AhQh, KJ are especially likely hands for him to have.

I'm barrel the turn because there are quite a few hands I can be double barreling with.

Well, what hands do u think are in a 15/10's range here? I really can't think of much else he can have here. And if we bet, turn, I assume we are folding to a raise?

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10-20-2008 , 11:48 AM

HustlerLA

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I think your line is fine, but you have to call river.
I think donking the river after you checked turn is best.

If our hand was weaker or stronger I would just say barrel the turn.

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10-20-2008 , 11:55 AM

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HustlerLA

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Originally Posted by ihearthawrilenko

Well, what hands do u think are in a 15/10's range here? I really can't think of much else he can have here. And if we bet, turn, I assume we are folding to a raise?

He can have AhJh, QhJh.

Yeah I think if we bet turn its b/f but thats why I like the turn check and donk river.

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10-20-2008 , 12:25 PM

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hilberado

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Looks like an easy turn bet/fold.

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10-20-2008 , 12:45 PM

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JFsports

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kinda hard to put him on a hand here? maybe KQ too. either way given the odds and your/his line I'd call

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10-20-2008 , 12:48 PM

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societymax

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nobody ever folds a pair on the turn here

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10-20-2008 , 12:48 PM

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NinaWilliams

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Originally Posted by ihearthawrilenko

Well, what hands do u think are in a 15/10's range here? I really can't think of much else he can have here. And if we bet, turn, I assume we are folding to a raise?

You only have 75 hands on him. He's likely tight, but we don't really know how tight.

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10-20-2008 , 01:55 PM

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AfricStyle

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i cal river. u hand in his perspective is way weaker that it is.

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10-20-2008 , 02:09 PM

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jpz99

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dude, your assigning WAY too strong of a range for him. In fact, theres very few Q's he will show up with and its much more likely for him to call 3 streets w 66 or some mid pair because you should be betting that turn a lot and hearts missed on the river.

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10-20-2008 , 04:10 PM

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ihearthawrilenko

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Originally Posted by jpz99

okay, so best to just bet turn, and bet river if called? Still doesn't seem like too much value in a river bet. Don't see how someone w/ those stats (even w/ small sample is looking up 3 streets w/ a pair below nines (or even w/ a 9 or ten, which he is unlikely to have anyway).

and even if his range is wide enough to include pp's below nines, I really don't see him ever betting turn and riv w/ them.

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10-20-2008 , 04:11 PM

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ihearthawrilenko

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Originally Posted by societymax

nobody ever folds a pair on the turn here

u mean a pair of nines or tens? i would think 55-88 has got to be folding here very often.

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10-20-2008 , 08:11 PM

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LesterWhite

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Originally Posted by hilberado

Looks like an easy turn bet/fold.

i agree

never folding that river after calling turn - too much showdown value for 3/5th of the pot

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10-20-2008 , 08:44 PM

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ICMoney

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He's tight pf, but makes random moves post.

Don't bet/fold turn.
Don't fold river.

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10-20-2008 , 08:57 PM

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ArturiusX

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call river and I like it.

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10-21-2008 , 01:49 AM

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muttiah

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Originally Posted by ArturiusX

call river and I like it.

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10-21-2008 , 01:58 AM

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ILikeTrees

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I think my main concern for legit hands is QTs.. QTo can't really be in there if hes 10%.. nor can 9T which would have been played wierd. sets are unlikely too, based on bet sizing and lack of flop raise.

i think he may have just floated when you didn't bet turn, and either fired the 2nd barrel on the riv, or he stumbled into a Bdoor flush. I'm pretty sure i'm calling there, your getting great odds to call, and his line doesn't seem super strong combined with you misrepresenting your hand as AT..

im calling, and pretty happy about it

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10-21-2008 , 09:56 PM

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hilberado

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I think c/c half pot on the turn is the worst turn line (after c/f), esp on a dobbelt-tone board, where lots of his range is some sort of combo hand (pair+OE), pair plus lost of OE draws, he might bet when checkked to.
bet/call or CRAI depending on reads etc.

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10-22-2008 , 04:23 AM

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JonnyCosMo

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lol u folded... thats funny

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