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11-11-2012 , 02:58 AM

Pocho Willy

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This guy has made a bvb resteal and a BU vs MP 3bet so far on the 20 hands ive played with him. His stats are 29/25 or something around that

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Dealt to Hero T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1, Hero?

call, fold or 4bet call?

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11-11-2012 , 03:01 AM

severance pay

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 555

Fold

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11-11-2012 , 03:01 AM

ForeverLearning

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Don't fold

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11-11-2012 , 03:03 AM

Pocho Willy

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His 3bet is kinda small for a sqz pot, i dont know what to get from that anyway.

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11-11-2012 , 03:13 AM

severance pay

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 555

maybe 10-20 cents to small but still a fold for me.

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11-11-2012 , 03:18 AM

DaycareInferno

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start by guessing a range. it won't always be accurate, but your best guess is a lot better than not guessing.

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11-11-2012 , 03:28 AM

severance pay

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 555

I think it's a great spot to 4b bluff but im not 4betting TT for value and happy about getting it in. And calling 3b just sucks.

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11-11-2012 , 03:33 AM

Suicide Kings

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 127

Is it worth a call IP if we know SB is unlikely to back raise?

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11-11-2012 , 03:39 AM

ChrisCrocker

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,910

call, will make SB more likely to call as well and make the BB more willing to play his hand straight forward in a multiway pot with you having position.

4bet is pretty meh, we're readless and maybe it'll slightly be better than folding, but calling is wayyy better with position.

suicide kings: calling shove here from SB almost every time if we flat the 3bet and expecting AQ+ and 77-JJ.

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11-11-2012 , 03:44 AM

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pigmalion

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 645

call...

1) it's 6max
2) I just got out of the safe shell of calling only with QQ+
3) there's a chance he's out of line, because of the stats and because of the bet size
4) you have position
5) it's fun

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11-11-2012 , 03:48 AM

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Hicham009

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Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,641

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Originally Posted by severance pay

I think it's a great spot to 4b bluff but im not 4betting TT for value and happy about getting it in. And calling 3b just sucks.

I don't get this way of thinking. Personally I'm calling, not folding nor raising, but surely if you think it's a great spot to bluff, why not turn your hand into a bluff? You think the spot is great for it, and surely 4betting must be better than folding a hand as strong as TT to what is going a sqz a big percentage of the time.

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11-11-2012 , 07:34 AM

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astro39

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This really is villain dependent, and dependent on his 3 bet stats and also the dynamic you have with him, whether you've been open folding your opens to him etc etc. You really haven't given us enough information here to decide what to do with the hand.

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11-11-2012 , 07:56 AM

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playtowinalways

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I call IP. especially true when SB is a fish.

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11-11-2012 , 08:23 AM

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RotInHell

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 891

Call or 4bet, I think I like calling more since you can have SB come along. If I 4bet I'm probably getting it in too.

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11-11-2012 , 08:48 AM

#15

severance pay

grinder

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Originally Posted by Hicham009

TT doesn't block anything. A hand like Ax KQ JQ etc.. here would be good to 4b bluff. I dont mind calling tbh but id usually just fold as we often lose far more postflop if we miss a set. If i was to 4b TT here it wouldn't be as a bluff but to get the money in.

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11-11-2012 , 09:54 AM

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Hicham009

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Originally Posted by severance pay

I know TT doesn't block anything, but if the spot is good for a 4b bluff, do you really need the blockers? I'm just saying, you're going to be folding the best hand here an awful lot if you keep folding PP's to squuezes this small.

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11-11-2012 , 10:05 AM

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Yums111

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Originally Posted by severance pay

I think it's a great spot to 4b bluff but im not 4betting TT for value and happy about getting it in. And calling 3b just sucks.

Wtf. Calling is fine. Some of you guys need to spend some time on the HU tables. I know it's 6max and we have a small sample on this guy but folding is still REALLY bad.

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11-11-2012 , 10:06 AM

#18

severance pay

grinder

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I just prefer to have a few more than 20 hands before i start defending TT i see no reason to think he hasn't got AQ+ JJ+. He will have some bluffs in there as'well and well played when he does.

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11-11-2012 , 10:06 AM

#19

severance pay

grinder

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Originally Posted by Yums111

Wtf. Calling is fine. Some of you guys need to spend some time on the HU tables. I know it's 6max and we have a small sample on this guy but folding is still REALLY bad.

I play hu aswell last i knew you couldn't squeeze hu. Ranges+dynamics are totally different hu id stack off.

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11-11-2012 , 10:09 AM

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Yums111

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Originally Posted by severance pay

I just prefer to have a few more than 20 hands before i start defending TT i see no reason to think he hasn't got AQ+ JJ+. He will have some bluffs in there as'well and well played when he does.

I know what you mean but I think we're going to make a lot of money on him postflop in position even against his unknown range. I just really hate folding here

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11-11-2012 , 10:12 AM

#21

severance pay

grinder

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Originally Posted by Yums111

I just really hate folding here

No one likes folding.

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11-11-2012 , 10:16 AM

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DaycareInferno

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the fact that its a squeeze makes calling more profitable though. it would be a pretty profitable call even if sb had folded though, a lot more profitable than calling with AQ, at least that is how my own results have panned out.

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11-11-2012 , 10:19 AM

#23

severance pay

grinder

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^^^ fwiw i wouldn't call AQ either certainly think of 4betting it though.

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11-11-2012 , 10:26 AM

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playtowinalways

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You guys wouldn't call even with AQs? just wondering.

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11-11-2012 , 10:27 AM

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DaycareInferno

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you might be surprised at how well you do with various different hands calling in situations like this. i know a lot of people get thrown off because they filter for hands where they called a 3bet with x and see that they lost a bunch of money, but you have to remember that when you fold you were going to lose 300bb/100 (assuming a 3x raise), so if you do better than that you made a profit.

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