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04-09-2011 , 11:17 AM
    [hand_history]Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    UTG: $32.31 (129.2 bb)
    Hero (MP): $31.67 (126.7 bb)
    CO: $30.89 (123.6 bb)
    BTN: $24.34 (97.4 bb)
    SB: $25 (100 bb)
    BB: $49.11 (196.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with T T
    UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, BB raises to $2.50, UTG calls $2.25, Hero calls $1.40

    Flop: ($7.60) 7 8 9 (3 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets $7.60, Hero calls $7.60, BB folds

    Turn: ($22.80) 7 (2 players)
    UTG bets $22.21 and is all-in, Hero folds



    No reads. Do I fold here? Should I have played differently on the flop? Perhaps shoving or even folding?
    TT on 789 Flop. Quote
    04-09-2011 , 11:32 AM
    When you call full pot on the flop what was your turn plan? fold to further agression unless you hit a straight?
    TT on 789 Flop. Quote
    04-09-2011 , 11:44 AM
    I was also calling a turn shove if a Ten hit or shoving myself there. Unsure otherwise.
    TT on 789 Flop. Quote
    04-09-2011 , 11:47 AM
    So you called a full pot bet drawing to 10 perceived outs and probably folding anything else (since you folded the 7 and that changes nothing I assume you fold almost every turn).

    That's bad DUCY?
    TT on 789 Flop. Quote
    04-09-2011 , 12:05 PM
    Doboyfusion is right. OTF, you have to realise two things: 1- If you call the flop bet, he is not slowing down OTT; 2- You have absolutely no FE if you raise the flop.
    Knowing those two things, you have to see if the equity of your pair + OESD makes shoving EV+ vs what is very likely to be QQ+. You have around 40% equity and with the dead money already in the pot I think it´s +EV, but close.
    TT on 789 Flop. Quote
    04-09-2011 , 12:29 PM
    Yes I see why it's bad.
    I think if we have no FE by raising the flop getting it all in would be very marginal unless he also plays some kind of draw here too. I discounted a little the possibility of AA,KK because I think it would have been a good spot to 4-bet even if it means just to take the pot down. I think a set was as likely.
    So you both think that raising the flop is best?
    TT on 789 Flop. Quote
    04-09-2011 , 12:49 PM
    I think calling is the worst.

    Raising and folding both have merits and it would depend heavily on the player. But you said readless so I donno, flip a coin?
    TT on 789 Flop. Quote
    04-09-2011 , 01:58 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ZFC
      [hand_history]Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG: $32.31 (129.2 bb)
      Hero (MP): $31.67 (126.7 bb)
      CO: $30.89 (123.6 bb)
      BTN: $24.34 (97.4 bb)
      SB: $25 (100 bb)
      BB: $49.11 (196.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with T T
      UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, BB raises to $2.50, UTG calls $2.25, Hero calls $1.40

      Flop: ($7.60) 7 8 9 (3 players)
      BB checks, UTG bets $7.60, Hero calls $7.60, BB folds

      Turn: ($22.80) 7 (2 players)
      UTG bets $22.21 and is all-in, Hero folds



      No reads. Do I fold here? Should I have played differently on the flop? Perhaps shoving or even folding?
      villain is betting potsize into two opponents. this screams strength. his most likely holdings are 2pair, straight or set. we have to give him credit with no further reads. he is obviously afraid of the flush and want to charge the maximum for drawing hands.

      shoving is no option, because you are always behind when called.

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 33.121% 31.66% 01.46% 4701 217.50 { TcTs }
      Hand 1: 66.879% 65.41% 01.46% 9714 217.50 { 99-77, JTs, 98s, 87s }

      call > fold >>>>> shove

      p.s. raising accomplishes zero, what worse hands are going to call a raise? what if villain 3bets flop?
      TT on 789 Flop. Quote
      04-09-2011 , 02:30 PM
      ^^ your logic is contradictory. You put him on that range which has us completely crushed then say calling full pot bet is best. lol.


      p.s. I misread the HH up until right now. UTG limp cold calls 3 bets and bets full pot when raiser checks, Fold AINEC.
      TT on 789 Flop. Quote
      04-09-2011 , 02:42 PM
      yes, it may sound stupid.

      but we are 126bb deep.

      i would call and hope to spike a J or a 6 and fold turn to further aggression.

      we still have around 30 % equity on the flop.

      its a close spot though.
      TT on 789 Flop. Quote
      04-09-2011 , 05:30 PM
      We have zero fold equity OTF. Shoving bad. He has a better made hand the vast majority of the time. Sometimes we are flipping. I think I prefer a fold OTF, calling to hope to spike is meeh, we only hit turn 16% of the time and it's not likely he will let us see the river considering the flop betsizing.

      Fold flop.
      TT on 789 Flop. Quote

            
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