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Trying not to be results oriented but... - good or bad fold? Trying not to be results oriented but... - good or bad fold?

05-12-2012 , 09:02 AM
UTG is a fish, I expect him to call a shove with crap. BB is 19/8 over 132 hands.
After BB cold called my 5BB raise OOP I expected him to have a pocket pair, especially 77-JJ. So the only thing I could possibly think he had after he shoved was AK, 77 or 88, so my equity would be very low.


    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12844282

    UTG: $7.09 (70.9 bb)
    MP: $14.23 (142.3 bb)
    Hero (CO): $10.54 (105.4 bb)
    BTN: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
    SB: $10.20 (102 bb)
    BB: $12.88 (128.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
    UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, 2 folds, BB calls $0.40, UTG calls $0.40, MP calls $0.40

    Flop: ($2.05) 7 8 A (4 players)
    BB bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $12.38 and is all-in, UTG calls $6.09 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Turn: ($17.23) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($17.23) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $17.23 pot ($0.78 rake)
    Final Board: 7 8 A 2 A
    UTG showed 9 T and won $8.22 ($1.13 net)
    MP mucked and lost (-$0.50 net)
    Hero mucked A K and lost (-$2.50 net)
    BB showed 9 T and won $8.23 ($1.14 net)



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    I was pretty pissed, I should have almost tripled up. Should I have assigned him a wider range? I couldn't believe he cold called a 5BB raise OOP with suited connectors! Who on earth can profit with this move!!?? Of course I made a note after that, but it sucked that I failed to guess his range.
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    05-12-2012 , 09:20 AM
    19/8 are kind of nitty passive fishy types

    they generally play a tight range pre, and play it passively post

    i would never have included draws in his range for jamming

    nice fold
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    05-12-2012 , 09:27 AM
    I don't raise this flop but call.

    I don't think much worse is calling a raise and no better hand is ever going to fold.
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    05-12-2012 , 09:40 AM
    Make flop bigger and it's well played.
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    05-12-2012 , 10:12 AM
    Yeah, I didn't realize that a fishy guy could be this nitty, so far I only considered the tightest fish to be something like 30/5. I'll keep an eye on those guys.

    I raised flop because UTG is a total fish and he'll certainly call me with A2o+ or even 98, BB small donk bet in a multiway pot represents a not so good hand, so I raised, his shove represented the opposite though.

    I'm not so sure about how much to raise, when heads up I usually raise 3x villains bet, but with 2 opponents I raised 4x because I knew I had to raise bigger but didn't know the optimal amount not to give them good odds. 6x would be good?

    Last edited by Terrificus; 05-12-2012 at 10:21 AM.
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    05-12-2012 , 12:03 PM
    Ran into a very similar situation recently and it sucks lol, but it was a fold IMO. I would have expected ace vs set/2pair... to see them both turn up 9-10 is a bit silly.
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    05-12-2012 , 01:34 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by narnae
    I don't raise this flop but call.

    I don't think much worse is calling a raise and no better hand is ever going to fold.
    It's a raise for value vs a small donk bet and a call from a fish. If BB had donked the flop bigger I think a call can become better but there is no way I'm ever letting them both see the turn for such a small price OTF. Best way to play it is to take control of the hand now, and value bet the fish as strongly as you can.

    As for BB I don't see why he would ever lead a strong hand so small here, but I'd still struggle putting him on draw when he 3bets, so readless I think the fold is good.
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    05-12-2012 , 02:48 PM
    Nice fold.

    The most important aspect of this hand is how you felt afterwards. 12 months ago, if I'd been hero I'd have been pissed.

    Now I'd laugh my arse off and get on with the next hand.
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    05-12-2012 , 09:34 PM
    well played,
    raise flop is good because fish will lead out alot with draws small to buy a cheap turn card.
    now that you get jammed on with the other villian calling the jam, it becomes a pretty easy fold most the time because i would assume that one or the other villian would have a set here most the time.
    results are frustrating but you played it correct.
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    05-12-2012 , 11:33 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dgking111
    well played,
    raise flop is good because fish will lead out alot with draws small to buy a cheap turn card.
    now that you get jammed on with the other villian calling the jam, it becomes a pretty easy fold most the time because i would assume that one or the other villian would have a set here most the time.
    results are frustrating but you played it correct.
    this^^ good fold
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    05-13-2012 , 05:56 AM
    Agree with everyone this is a good fold. U should pat yourself on the back. Flop raise is good also.
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    05-13-2012 , 06:11 AM
    great job OP i don't know i still have a hard time folding you play very well.

    never be results oriented they say it all the time, but shows me every day i have so much learning to do as a new player.
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