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05-23-2018 , 04:31 PM
Given action do we check fold trips? Line check also please



    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37934169

    MP: $10 (100 bb)
    CO: $10 (100 bb)
    BTN: $11.30 (113 bb)
    SB: $15.55 (155.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): $16.43 (164.3 bb)
    UTG: $12.13 (121.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 Q
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15

    Flop: ($0.55) Q 4 Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.55

    Turn: ($2.15) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.40, CO calls $1.40

    River: ($4.95) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $3.80, Hero folds




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    05-23-2018 , 05:13 PM
    should probably tend to raise with stronger trips
    check/call turn as played
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    05-24-2018 , 12:28 AM
    Turn gives him flushes and FH so betting seems worse than x/c.
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    05-24-2018 , 02:02 AM
    This doesn't make sense as a river fold imo. You're just assuming he can't have Ah and i don't think that's right. You need to have a lot of flushes in your range for this to be a fold imo. Maybe more that are even possible.

    I really don't like the turn bet. Seems like you should check your whole range there. I'm really confused what you're trying to pull off. You can bluff turn by x/r and this type of hand should never bluff a heart. It is a way better x/c to give equity to your range since you have to dump a bunch of your no pair hands here. Are you trying to have a bluff lead range on this turn? If so, what is it?
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    05-24-2018 , 04:49 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by emitnulB
    This doesn't make sense as a river fold imo. You're just assuming he can't have Ah and i don't think that's right. You need to have a lot of flushes in your range for this to be a fold imo. Maybe more that are even possible.

    I really don't like the turn bet. Seems like you should check your whole range there. I'm really confused what you're trying to pull off. You can bluff turn by x/r and this type of hand should never bluff a heart. It is a way better x/c to give equity to your range since you have to dump a bunch of your no pair hands here. Are you trying to have a bluff lead range on this turn? If so, what is it?

    Thanks for comments. Defo agree with you on turn I should be checking here but I still think there are hands that I want to bet after check raising flop. Can understand what you are saying though about not having no bluffs on this turn.

    As for calling river I can't see Villian calling check raise , turn bet and then betting river with any bluffs . I don't see how he gets there with naked Ah. Even floating check raise and turning top pair with Ahkx he now has show down value and very unlikely to bet that on river. Same with AA. When he get to the river with these types of hands there bluff catchers so have no reason to start turning bluff catchers into bluffs
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    05-24-2018 , 04:51 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ojune
    should probably tend to raise with stronger trips
    check/call turn as played
    Thanks for comment
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    05-24-2018 , 04:51 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Renekton
    Turn gives him flushes and FH so betting seems worse than x/c.
    Thank for comment agree 100% with all saying check turn
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    05-24-2018 , 07:21 AM
    Rather than checking turn, what do we think to betting something like 1/4 pot, and see how villain reacts? If he goes ahead and calls, we're keeping his range wide which is good on this ever scarifying board. If he sees this bet and he's got a flush, then it makes little sense for him just to flat it and risk giving any free cards to Qx and then fire big on the river once we check to him of the board doesn't pair. If he does call and we check to him on the river, we don't lose as much when getting the odds to call it off and he does have hearts.

    Whilst theoretically, this isn't something I'd condone a lot of, in certain situations, I think it can be really exploitative and this I feel is one of those situations where betting small on this turn, can make villains hand really transparent based on how he reacts, and put us in an OK spot by the river to make an easier decision.
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    05-24-2018 , 07:41 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cantor1987
    As for calling river I can't see Villian calling check raise , turn bet and then betting river with any bluffs . I don't see how he gets there with naked Ah. Even floating check raise and turning top pair with Ahkx he now has show down value and very unlikely to bet that on river. Same with AA. When he get to the river with these types of hands there bluff catchers so have no reason to start turning bluff catchers into bluffs
    Reaching a little bit (or maybe a lot)... If the villain ever floats AhJx/AhTx on the flop, those hands would make sense to call the turn (with a flush draw and nutshot) and now bluff the river. But of course those hands might just fold to the flop raise a lot of the time.
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