Reggish stats over 70 hands. No fishy moves thus far so assume he is a reg.
The other player is a total station, thus clear flop raise in case he has a pp or Kx.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BTN: $50 (100 bb)
SB: $61.26 (122.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $59.44 (118.9 bb)
MP: $68.90 (137.8 bb)
CO: $53.25 (106.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 4
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50) K 7 7 (3 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $4, UTG folds, SB raises to $9.20, Hero calls $5.20

Turn: ($19.90) 5 (2 players)
[color="red"]SB bets $12.25

Obviously neither one of us can have KK, but my kicker sucks.
OTOH I have been quite bluffy these 70 hands and have been called so he could thinkmy flop raise is FOS (it will not be because of the fish).
Once I call I obviously am never on air.

Call flop

No.
I want UTG money in case he has Kx

What about geting the money from both

You can get lots of money in later vs UTG's Kx etc. If you call it is way more likely that he just calls with all sorts of stuff because its $1

I wouldn't raise the flop i don't think the decent reg pays you off with kx when you raise there into 2 , and the station you can cream later on.

Hard to see which you think is the decent reg though the one who limps utg with a fish in the sb or is he the sb who doesn't iso the fishies limp , there both fish if you ask me.

Wat

how many good regs do you see limp utg 6 max and how many regs do you see complete from sb if theirs a fish limping, Not sure if reg means good i just presume reggish stats means decent.

1st) there are winning regs at ssnl and msnl that limp their entire range UTG ( probably not the case ldo)

2nd) completing from the sb is perfectly fine if you have a hand that wouldn't be +EV to iso the fish pre flop, like Q2s 95s 83s 33 44 JTo etc etc..

if you always iso or fold from the SB when a fish limps that is a leak

and get raped by any decent reg in the bb , i just dont complete the sb i raise or fold or 3b , i say never but very rarely it all depends on the bb

any decent reg wont raise preflop and play a pot vs a fish OOP with ATC just because there is one more SB in the pot
that's definitly a leak

i wouldn't raise atc i also wouldnt complete the sb with most of the junk you listed with a decent reg in the bb, im quite fussy playing from the sb.

+1 BB needs a hand to raise. Not a huge hand but still a hand he can play with against the fish.

Strongly disagree with you about the raise though.
In the first place the supposed reg can be bad enough to call with Kx.
Secondly it's very unlikely he will barrel that dry of a flop with air since I'm never calling with air and there are no draws and I can't have like TT.
I could have small Kx or 7x maybe 22-55.
Thirdly If I call call bet/raise and SB happens to have some crappy king I win what 6-7 bucks unless he sucks out.

By raising I can get Fish stack for sure if he has a King and reg might be bad enough to call w Kx too. If they don't have a king, it matters little what I do.

the problem is that our hand is not strong enough to stack off vs a reg in a limped pot
i would call call call
and bet if the reg checks at any point

id be raising those for sure vs a limp so i would never have them. Most the suited hands i raise vs a limp apart from the trashy 82s obvious crap that just goes strait in the muck , i just prefer to play the sb for a raise or 3b generally i don't really have much of a calling range there and virtually never complete the sb, Mayabe something i need to look into idk.

overlimping SB is very standard for a reg.

I overlimp quite a few hands there aswell, the BB reg won't iso that often, believe me.

As played I hate the flopraise, especially with that sizing. I'm calling down aswell, betting when checked to.

EDIT: Raising 22-55 there in the SB vs an UTG limp seems bad and those are a few of the hands that usually play a lot better by overlimping

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maybe something i need to look at but i just dont do it as a rule.

Hmm.
Interesting, everyone thinks the raise was bad. And I agree it's a bit weak to get it in v the supposed reg because of kicker problems. Still it's not that likely reg has the case 7 until he raises. The vast majority of the time the reg will have air or Kx.
I thought the small chance of valuetowning against the reg would be offset by the possibility of stacking the fish with Kx, Slowplayed pocket pair or whatever.

Anyway I played it like a fish. I called the turn bet. The reg checked to me OTR.
I shoved which served no purpose. Reg folded. I wonder if he actually folded the best hand or was he totally airballing.

What happens with the raise is that it really just turn your hand upside down. Just doing nothing preflop and getting crazy on a paired board like that.

I actually like it against the reg, because he obviously has a king or some sort of small pair here. He might think that you wouldn't raise a king, so it's a 7 or airball. Your table image served you well here, getting him to spazz out a few dollars more, though the turn bet was horrible from him.

Call call raise (?) could've been a better plan though. Not sure about the raise either, just kind of depends what comes next, but usually regs want to "make sure" if it's a bluff on the river if you just make a smallish raise. Also, the fish calls behind here with almost ATC and raises his "strong" hands, Kx and some other pairs. Plus it seems pretty hard to outdraw you anyway.

I am so happy if I can complete the SB with suited and/or (semi)connected cards that I would never call a raise with, but that are good enough to make a 0.5bb investment with huge odds.

If the hands are reversed villain will have my cards and be facing a PFR from me.

i always raise a hand i'm going to play vs a limp from sb ,possibly i make mistakes here i shall work on it. Going to be hard though not to raise

pre/flop is good and id fold turn, you reak of 7x and he isn't slowing down and you only beat a bluff, easy fold

pretty sure no-one would say raising is bad if you had changed the HH so that SB only calls your raise and were asking what to do on turn. Just saying...

I could probably limp my whole UTG range and be a winning player. It doesn't mean limping my whole UTG range is better than raising my whole UTG range. In other words, even winning regs can have ******ed/sub-optimal standard plays