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01-22-2012 , 01:44 AM

Kimes

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Stacks:
UTG gleison ($9.80)
UTG+1 copieer ($55.15)
CO cliffje ($11.25)
BTN Kimes ($27.05)
SB lau_1 ($28.30)
BB Deadmouse ($83)

Pre-Flop: ($0.40, 6 players) Kimes is BTN 7

3 folds, Kimes raises to $0.60, 1 fold, Deadmouse calls $0.35

Flop: A

($1.35, 2 players)
Deadmouse checks, Kimes bets $1, Deadmouse calls $1

Turn: 6

($3.35, 2 players)
Deadmouse checks, Kimes bets $2.80, Deadmouse calls $2.80

River: 9

($8.95, 2 players)
Deadmouse checks, Kimes bets $6, Deadmouse goes all-in $78.60, Kimes folds

I think everyone can agree that everytying till turn is super standard. What do you think about river? Bet/fold? Check behind? What about sizing? Or maybe hero call? Most confusing hand of the day.

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01-22-2012 , 03:45 PM

Kimes

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Bump.

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01-22-2012 , 04:05 PM

chad0x001

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I would call his river bet just based on his very high river aggression stat.

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01-22-2012 , 04:14 PM

AnubisSi

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nh imho... Would've played it the same

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01-22-2012 , 04:21 PM

jamthe3

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I think your river bet was a tad to big, so hard to say...i like a $4.80 bet there. Given his stats, he obviously wasn't concerned the 9d hit your hand & had every reason to believe you'd call given pot/stack size. I'd put him on flopping the boat or catching the nine although i guess one could make the argument he thought given your bet sizes you were just reluctant to give up a pre-flop button raise and blasted you off your hand. That seems outa charachter for him though.....

who knows

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01-22-2012 , 04:59 PM

cayto

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River agg 8.0 based on this stat, i think check behind is the best option, you open the pot hand he slow play his Ace that will be stronger than yours

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01-22-2012 , 05:49 PM

Back off Kiddo

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Originally Posted by chad0x00

I would call his river bet just based on his very high river aggression stat.

That is only because he goes to the river with a strong range, so he is going to raise and bet vs missed cbet often.

Notice his ~70% fold to cbet, that means he hit this flop, Jx isn't shoving river, but good Ax is, so it's a clear fold.

Make the HH the standard positions instead of player names, looks really ******ed

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01-22-2012 , 05:51 PM

chad0x001

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Ok, how about check behind on the river? that must be better than b/f

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01-22-2012 , 05:53 PM

Back off Kiddo

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Yeah that's better ,we don't get value from worse. I'm uncertain of what play is best to maximize EV, lets discuz dat! (check flop, bet turn+river?).

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01-22-2012 , 05:56 PM

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Soulwaxical

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As played I fold cant see him bluffing in this spot very often if ever.

I agree that the river is a check. Cant see him paying you off with worse and definatley has better in his range. Againt a more passive opponent I might bet like half pot looking for a crying call off KJ but vs someone with this river aggresssion its asking for him to raise you. Great vs him in some spots but not this one I dont think. With your betsizing in this hand I can see him bluff shoving though.

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01-22-2012 , 05:56 PM

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GutshotDan92

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River is a clear fold once shoved on.

Some value OTR from Jx, though I do prefer the check behind. More often than not, he will turn up with an Ace that is better than ours.

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01-22-2012 , 05:58 PM

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chad0x001

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If we check flop and he leads the turn are we calling? and the river? Cause if we will we should bet flop, bet turn then check behind on river - much better this way cause we keep the initiative.

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01-22-2012 , 05:59 PM

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Soulwaxical

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Originally Posted by Back off Kiddo

Yeah that's better ,we don't get value from worse. I'm uncertain of what play is best to maximize EV, lets discuz dat! (check flop, bet turn+river?).

Think Id prefer bet flop, check turn, call/bet river.

Reason Im thinking this is because villain seems to be a thinking player and would persume we'd bet this flop with all our air. Checking seems a bit suspicious I think.

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01-22-2012 , 06:03 PM

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jamthe3

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Originally Posted by Back off Kiddo

I agree, look at W$SD & check raise %. I think on the $4.80 river he might pay off w/a weird BB hand, but the dude looks pretty nitty to me. I think either 99, AJ or A9 myself w/AJ being (as hard as this is to believe) the most likely. Either way, checking behind is what my p*ssy self woulda done. At that point, what does your 7 actually beat against this guy...KK, QQ? He really have that on .35 preflop call no reraise? Then again I'm not a real big believer in river "value" bets w/o the nuts in micro NL...especially if I'm gonna fold to a re-raise in shove country. Like I said, bit of a p*ssy

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01-23-2012 , 12:43 AM

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COKE_MAN

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What if hero had AK here instead of A7? Still a fold? I think for all the arguments made above it probably is, but I don't know if I could in game.

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01-23-2012 , 12:48 AM

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ProfesorKaos

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I think checking turn is a better play against him.

also bet folding 4 is better than 6 i think too

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01-23-2012 , 01:09 AM

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jamthe3

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Originally Posted by COKE_MAN

What if hero had AK here instead of A7? Still a fold? I think for all the arguments made above it probably is, but I don't know if I could in game.

No, not for me at least. In my opinion, the way he bet pre-flop compared to flop & turn & river gives real good argument that Hero was bluffing the whole time. A7 check behind on river, AK bet/call all day long given the betting

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01-23-2012 , 01:15 AM

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Kimes

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Whats wrong with pre? Its my standard open vs shortstack and good players/3betters. I'm openning almost ~50% BU, why make it larger?

Giving his 13% call and 13% 3bet on BB and fold to cbet 70~% i would check behind river right now.
I dont know, he must probably mix 3betting and calling his AK/AQ/JJ or he 3bet bluff a lot and call strong hands.

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01-23-2012 , 01:26 AM

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jamthe3

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Originally Posted by Kimes

i was referring to sizing actually, pre-flp size is a tad small i think but fine. But compared to that size raise on button against only blinds, given the flop the other bets seem a tad large for value of having the Ace...that's all i meant.

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01-23-2012 , 01:27 AM

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JacknCoke56

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his WTSD ans W$SD seems a little high. This could mean he is not value betting a lot but check calling down to the river a ton. what do you have for note son this guy? I am guessing given his stats that he is never bluffing river because he is getting there with a made strong hand every time. Also the river is typically the most honest street at micros.

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