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TPTK in 4bp vs CO caller being +200b deep. it's worth it to bet river? if yes with what size? TPTK in 4bp vs CO caller being +200b deep. it's worth it to bet river? if yes with what size?

05-30-2022 , 03:17 PM
PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
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UTG (Hero): $4.20 (210 bb)
MP: $2.08 (104 bb)
CO: $9.41 (471 bb)
BU: $5.07 (254 bb)
SB: $2.00 (100 bb)
BB: $1.15 (58 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, CO 3-bets to $0.18, 3 players fold, Hero 4-bets to $0.44, CO calls $0.26

Flop: ($0.91) 6 Q 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.71) J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.96, CO calls $0.96

River: ($3.63) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

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no stats on villain



I don't have much experience in this spots being that much deep so I decided to check fearing that villain had QQ or JJ after he called 2 decent bet sizes barrels, what would you guys do here?
TPTK in 4bp vs CO caller being +200b deep. it's worth it to bet river? if yes with what size? Quote
05-30-2022 , 06:36 PM
I think it's fine. CO won't call a big bet without a Q. You beat KQ but you don't beat QJ, and in a 4 bet pot I don't think CO often has QT or Q9. In a sense, the pot is "big enough for the strength of your hand".

One problem when checking the river OOP like this is you open yourself to some crazy bluff from the player in position, but in this case villain does not seem too aggressive so if he shoves you have an "easy" fold I think.

I would consider flatting preflop instead of 4betting, but I guess both are OK.

Well played in my opinion.
TPTK in 4bp vs CO caller being +200b deep. it's worth it to bet river? if yes with what size? Quote
05-30-2022 , 07:49 PM
For a river bet, consider two questions:

1. What lesser hands would call a bet?
2. What better hands would fold to a bet?

In your spot, I think “none” is the answer for question 2. It is a dry board (I’m pretty sure 54 does not make it to the river with this action), and only 2 pair combos (QJ mainly) AA, KK or sets beat you. Those combos are not going to fold.

For the first question, maybe KQ calls? Not sure there are any other lesser hands that both are in villains range and call. Any missed flush draws, for example, are folding.

IMO there are not enough lesser hands that call and no better hands that fold, so a check is fine.
TPTK in 4bp vs CO caller being +200b deep. it's worth it to bet river? if yes with what size? Quote
05-30-2022 , 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stremba70
For a river bet, consider two questions:

1. What lesser hands would call a bet?
2. What better hands would fold to a bet?

In your spot, I think “none” is the answer for question 2. It is a dry board (I’m pretty sure 54 does not make it to the river with this action), and only 2 pair combos (QJ mainly) AA, KK or sets beat you. Those combos are not going to fold.

For the first question, maybe KQ calls? Not sure there are any other lesser hands that both are in villains range and call. Any missed flush draws, for example, are folding.

IMO there are not enough lesser hands that call and no better hands that fold, so a check is fine.
There are a decent number of FD combos as well that could potentially bluff at it but not call a bet as well.
TPTK in 4bp vs CO caller being +200b deep. it's worth it to bet river? if yes with what size? Quote
05-30-2022 , 08:30 PM
You aren't getting 3 streets with this hand unless villain bluffs somewhere

Checking OTT for this reason and that the J is better for villain than us.
TPTK in 4bp vs CO caller being +200b deep. it's worth it to bet river? if yes with what size? Quote
05-30-2022 , 10:16 PM
Definitely a low frequency 4b preflop this deep, if you are going to 4b UTG vs CO I would size up to around 30bb here, however personally I would probably just pure call this hand.

OTF sizing is too large, I'd probably mix 20% pot and checking here. In theory villain should have some frequency of 55,77,88,99,TT etc that calls a smaller sizing. Using your sizing we allow a majority of those hand to just easily fold flop along with his AJhh and AThh

Turn I'm pretty sure should be a pure check.

River is pretty awkward the way you've played the hand already, so yeah AP checking seems fine. From the way we've played this hand we have just made it so hard to get called by anything worse unless villain is a complete fish (which it doesn't exactly seem like from their stats).
TPTK in 4bp vs CO caller being +200b deep. it's worth it to bet river? if yes with what size? Quote
05-31-2022 , 10:52 AM
we lose to QQ, JJ and QdJd while we beat AcKc, AdQd, AsQs, AcJc, KdQd, KsQs.

the only worse hands that villain would possibly call a thin bet OTR would be KdQd and KsQs, so even having 100bb effective Idk if t's worth it enough for a try vs this villain
TPTK in 4bp vs CO caller being +200b deep. it's worth it to bet river? if yes with what size? Quote

      
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