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TPTK on 2flush flop vs. unknown and fish, minraised by unknown TPTK on 2flush flop vs. unknown and fish, minraised by unknown

10-26-2010 , 01:01 PM
CO is a huge fish playing every hand. Don't know anything about the button player yet.

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BB: $12.55
UTG: $22.73
Hero (MP): $10.54
CO: $17.51
BTN: $14.93
SB: $9.20

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.05) T A 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70, BTN raises to $1.40, Hero calls $0.70, CO calls $0.70

Turn: ($5.25) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80, CO calls $2.80

River: ($13.65) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $3, Hero calls $3
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10-26-2010 , 02:41 PM
I probably find a fold on the turn.
Flop is ok, but is he really min re-raising AJ/AQ into two players?
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10-26-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pukaface
I probably find a fold on the turn.
Flop is ok, but is he really min re-raising AJ/AQ into two players?
The fact that it's actually just a raise, and not a re-raise, is important. If villain bets closer to pot on the turn, I'm folding. Considering the actual action, and the fact that CO is (presumably) calling with any A, I think OP played it well.
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10-26-2010 , 03:10 PM
^^ So what weaker hands does btn double barrel into two players OTT?
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10-26-2010 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pukaface
^^ So what weaker hands does btn double barrel into two players OTT?
Just because OP doesn't know anything about the button in this hand, it doesn't mean that the button doesn't know the CO is a fish. It also doesn't mean that button has a clue. What hand are we putting him on that we lose to, that he would min-raise with? Is he really min-raising with a set or AT that often? Only one combination of 88 remaining, too.
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10-26-2010 , 03:33 PM
A8s/AT/T8/TT.
I might give him KQs/KJs/QJs on the flop, but he doesn't double barrel those hands. It's questionable whether he would barrel AQ/AJ (which are presumably the only two hands we are getting value from).
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10-26-2010 , 03:36 PM
I'm guessing BTN can be minraising with TT, 88, AT for value. Maybe AQ or AJ if he's ******ed.

Do you guys think he often does this with all kinds of draws? Like 79, 9J, KQ, and especially FD's and pair+FD's?
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10-26-2010 , 03:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pukaface
I might give him KQs/KJs/QJs on the flop, but he doesn't double barrel those hands.
really? i think I might barrel those.
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10-26-2010 , 03:39 PM
I just don't understand his betsizing on the turn and river. If he had a set or 2 pair, why wouldn't he be betting bigger?
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10-26-2010 , 03:41 PM
Into two players & especially vs a station?
I don't disagree that his flop play is somewhat indicative of a draw, I just can't really see him barreling a draw into two players. Maybe I'm wrong...
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10-26-2010 , 03:56 PM
naw i think you're probably right. i guess i just didn't have the discipline to fold TPTK to a half-pot turn bet in this scenario.
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10-26-2010 , 04:00 PM
Somewhere either on flop or turn u should fold. Also, if CO is calling 100% hands, then raise bigger pre.
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10-26-2010 , 04:30 PM
what? im snap calling turn and river. busted draws and weaker As.

i see a lot of fish min raise TP weak kick or no kick and i see a lot of fish call with darws.

you in a pot with 2 weak players ( just from bet sizing tells ) and you have TPTK never getting away from this hand when they bet that small. i expect to see a lot of Ax weak.

the pot odds is just to good to throw away TPTK vs fish.
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10-26-2010 , 04:39 PM
I'm folding turn and then I always ask myself "Why didn't I just fold the flop, they always bet again?".
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10-26-2010 , 06:01 PM
looks good to me unless we know more about BTN. id expect to be up against Ax lots with those bet sizes. if we dont know anything about BTN then he probably doesnt know anything about CO.
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