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10-28-2009 , 12:19 AM

gorlom

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$400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6

UTG: $629.20
MP: $403.20
CO: $419.00
BTN: $667.40
SB: $400.00
Hero (BB): $433.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with Q

3 folds, BTN calls $4, SB raises to $24, Hero calls $20, BTN calls $20

Flop: ($72.00) 6

(3 players)
SB bets $48.00, Hero calls $48, BTN folds

Turn: ($168.00) 6

(2 players)
SB bets $92.00, Hero calls $92

River: ($352.00) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $236.00, Hero ?

I don't really know villain and he doesn't know me, because Im new to the site. BU is a huge drooler.
SB seemed solid so far, but as I said, no specific reads.

Somehow I don't feel comfortable with this one. Is this a fistpump call?

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10-28-2009 , 12:32 AM

ATOTHEC101

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Hardly a fistpump but you have the absolute top of your range so I'm not planning to fold.

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10-28-2009 , 01:32 AM

ickash

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Call.

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10-28-2009 , 03:16 AM

SkeetyMcdoogle

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i call here every time and am NEVER good

toe veryone saying a call, you should assign a range

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10-28-2009 , 03:22 AM

thac

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flush draws and kq

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10-28-2009 , 03:44 AM

kutty

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ez river fold and maybe a turn fold depending on opponent. think about the hand guys. think about it.

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10-28-2009 , 04:03 AM

ATOTHEC101

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Originally Posted by kutty

ez river fold and maybe a turn fold depending on opponent. think about the hand guys. think about it.

ty zen master, I hope you frequently fold what is effectively the 4th strongest hand you'll have in this spot unless you decide to flat witj sc's. I also feel his turn bet is quite suspect, would expect him to bet bigger with tp +, looks like he either has the nizzles or is setting up a river bluff.

Last edited by ATOTHEC101; 10-28-2009 at 04:32 AM.

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10-28-2009 , 04:04 AM

adamx001

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Originally Posted by kutty

ez river fold and maybe a turn fold depending on opponent. think about the hand guys. think about it.

Turn fold would be horrendous. River is not a fistpump as the straight got there, but still a clear call.

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10-28-2009 , 04:29 AM

nebuer

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Originally Posted by kutty

ez river fold and maybe a turn fold depending on opponent. think about the hand guys. think about it.

lol nit

call

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10-28-2009 , 04:37 AM

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jully

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gross spot on the river
I think I'll fold if I don't have info on the guy
but yeah this is baad spot with this riv

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10-28-2009 , 05:07 AM

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tsojojojojojojo

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

Hardly a fistpump but you have the absolute top of your range so I'm not planning to fold.

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10-28-2009 , 05:09 AM

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billybeartku

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fold pre. not even close

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10-28-2009 , 05:14 AM

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SkeetyMcdoogle

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Originally Posted by thac

flush draws and kq

I dont think FD's OR KQ bet that river without history

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10-28-2009 , 05:31 AM

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ATOTHEC101

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Originally Posted by billybeartku

call pre. not even close

fyp, you're going to be in position post flop against the pfr and playing against the fish who you have crushed.

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10-28-2009 , 05:35 AM

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ATOTHEC101

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Originally Posted by SkeetyMcdoogle

I dont think FD's OR KQ bet that river without history

I don't think we can discount f draws considering his turn sizing looks alot like he's semibluffing/pricing himself in with a draw then he decided to continue his bluff once he missed. I do agree that kq would be bordering on thin without some mistrust between villain and yourself.

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10-28-2009 , 07:38 AM

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This is a call. Not a happy call.. but.. a call. Normally I'm somewhat worried when ppl isolates from SB, but given that BTN is such a drooler you could assign villian a pretty wide range.

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10-28-2009 , 07:47 AM

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tannenj

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Originally Posted by olof86

This is a call. Not a happy call.. but.. a call. Normally I'm somewhat worried when ppl isolates from SB, but given that BTN is such a drooler you could assign villian a pretty wide range.

+1

it's true that he's rarely value betting worse on the river, but 1. pot odds are generous, 2. the read on the villain is vague; people do stupid ****, and 3. villain def has some bluffs in his range after firing the river bet.

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10-28-2009 , 07:48 AM

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Reefypoopoo

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I RED THE TITLE ONLY, CALLCALCLALCALCLALLLLLL

Last edited by Reefypoopoo; 10-28-2009 at 07:49 AM. Reason: I spell it like I say it imo

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10-28-2009 , 07:55 AM

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mtagliaf

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anyone like raising flop? you get your information much faster (and often cheaper).

you have top/top and your SPR was 5, so committing should be ok.

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10-28-2009 , 08:03 AM

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Reefypoopoo

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played fine, don't slowroll river

Last edited by Reefypoopoo; 10-28-2009 at 08:04 AM. Reason: only reason why you posted is bc he showed rawketz?

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10-28-2009 , 10:15 AM

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gorlom

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Originally Posted by billybeartku

fold pre. not even close

as ATOTHEC said, I really think folding pre would be a mistake.

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10-28-2009 , 10:16 AM

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Zanka

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this must be a snapcall.
i mean he prob have some fd in his range and i think he bets KQ here alot.
At least i think he schould...

what about raising flop?

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10-28-2009 , 10:22 AM

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gorlom

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why should he bet the river with KQ?

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10-28-2009 , 10:42 AM

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Zanka

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hm, im thinking a bit more on this.. if the river dont complete the straight i think he schould bet KQ since he pretty much only looses to AQ.. also if we dont think he vbets reasonable thin he will be very polarized in these spots right? making us call with Qx alot better? am i thinking correctly?