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10-27-2009 , 08:38 AM
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Villain was 27/17/3.1 over 95 hands.

How's this look?

Hero (CO): $2.00
BTN: $2.00
SB: $0.58
BB: $2.00
UTG: $2.75
UTG+1: $3.29
MP: $2.49

Pre Flop: ($0.02) Hero is CO with Q A
1 fold, UTG raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.14) A K 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.10, UTG calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.34) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.24, UTG raises to $1.06, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $1.84 all in, UTG calls $0.78

River: ($4.02) J (2 players - 1 is all in)
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10-27-2009 , 08:41 AM
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Honestly, you can just fold to the turn raise. Your one pair is good pretty much never, and you're not getting proper odds to try and spike one of your 11 outs on the river.
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10-27-2009 , 09:31 AM
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I agree - you can fold the turn to the large raise - your hand beats a very small amount of hands. Sometimes at 0.01 / 0.02 they show up with a bluff, but 27/17 isn't that crazy at 0.01 / 0.02 and most of the non-bluff hands are ahead of you.
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10-27-2009 , 09:33 AM
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I like a check behind on the turn... Pot control...

You're not ahead of much but you have draws to the nuts, why put yourself in a spot where you might have to fold?
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10-27-2009 , 10:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeth
Honestly, you can just fold to the turn raise. Your one pair is good pretty much never, and you're not getting proper odds to try and spike one of your 11 outs on the river.
i count 13 outs.

8 for flush
3 for str8t (4 tens - 1 for FD)
2 Aces

makes it still -EV to call (2.5:1 compared to 2:1), but i am sure if we hit villain will at least call a small river bet which would make up for the odds.
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10-27-2009 , 10:32 AM
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Aces are likely to be dirty outs and they should not be counted
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10-27-2009 , 10:39 AM
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Either check on turn or bet fold imo. If he reraises u, your A outs are no good there.
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10-27-2009 , 10:56 AM
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what is UTG communicating with his play? UTG preflop raise and a check-call flop. I'm guess either a monster or he isn't going to call much on that turn that we beat.

That would be a tough turn card for me to check through, so I'm trying not to base my play on knowing UTG has huge reraise here. But we should consider before we bet the turn what options UTG has: fold, call, reraise and how we would respond. Fold, meh. Call, unlikely. Reraise- other posters are saying we don't have odds to call, so checking through for us on the turn sounds like a good option.
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10-27-2009 , 11:27 AM
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Yeah, I went a bit gung-ho even though I should know better.
Spoiler:
He had KK.
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10-27-2009 , 12:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerbiker
i count 13 outs.

8 for flush
3 for str8t (4 tens - 1 for FD)
2 Aces

makes it still -EV to call (2.5:1 compared to 2:1), but i am sure if we hit villain will at least call a small river bet which would make up for the odds.
Aces are going to fill him up every time, as he has aces up minimum. He pretty much turned his cards faceup with the turn c/r.
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