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03-14-2010 , 04:11 AM

jayfil23

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seems like i played this sooo bad... when ever i find myself in this situation and i snap him off he always has a boat. so i know some people are going to say wow easy call, but those same people would be saying wow all your money went in behind if i posted it as a beat. help?

UTG: $5.00
MP: $6.96
CO: $10.00
BTN: $19.93
Hero (SB): $9.48
BB: $11.03

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, BTN calls $0.55

Turn: ($1.85) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.85, BTN raises to $1.70, Hero calls $0.85

River: ($5.25) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.20, Hero folds

Final Pot: $5.25
BTN wins $5.00
(Rake: $0.25)

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03-14-2010 , 04:16 AM

elixs

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 367

What kind of a player is he?
That huge min raise turn and over potsize bet on the river looks fishy. Though im not sure you beat anything here.. It would help a ton if you could post his stats. Right now it looks like a fold, but then again its NL10 and lot's of idiots lurk there. I would call this if i would be in this spot. But now if i think about it... looks like a fold.

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03-14-2010 , 04:21 AM

jayfil23

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thanks. he was playing fairly loose i think like 45/25 or something...but the hands that beat me are 33...k8..88 is a possibility i guess? but i dono i am confused ha ha. because i really dont think 44 is in his range here...and kk he re pops me pre i would think.

Last edited by jayfil23; 03-14-2010 at 04:23 AM. Reason: additional thoughts

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03-14-2010 , 04:28 AM

sharkbaitOHH

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don't call the turn raise if you aren't calling one of the best rivers you can get

I'm calling this readless. He could have any 8x, and your turn bet is pretty inducing. Why would you bet less than halfpot on the turn?

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03-14-2010 , 04:30 AM

D1iabol1cal

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Call

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03-14-2010 , 04:33 AM

gkh

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Definite call. He can have 8x, a lower flush, maybe Kx or 2 pair.

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03-14-2010 , 04:43 AM

fjk

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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH

Listen to this man. On the turn, think about what your plan is. Call turn, c/f river? What better card are you looking for? Are you flatting the turn hoping to check down the river (really?)?

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03-14-2010 , 05:53 AM

BeXXs

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Raise All-In. You only have $0.68 more, so he never folds, and you are way ahead of his range. And $0.68 equals 13.6BB, which is huge value that you leave on the table by calling.

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03-14-2010 , 06:03 AM

D1iabol1cal

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Originally Posted by BeXXs

Raise All-In. You only have $0.68 more, so he never folds, and you are way ahead of his range. And $0.68 equals 13.6BB, which is huge value that you leave on the table by calling.

This.

I thought you were allin with his bet but you have some cash behind which must be thrown in the middle.

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03-14-2010 , 06:04 AM

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Mark89er

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allin turn

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03-14-2010 , 06:14 AM

#11

navigator

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I am raising also. Villains betting range here is much wider than just fl.
I would bet river. So much lost value if villain checks back with KX and trip eights.

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03-14-2010 , 06:15 AM

#12

navigator

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Originally Posted by Mark89er

allin turn

why? I don't see what he will achieve by reraising turn

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03-14-2010 , 06:18 AM

#13

Mark89er

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Originally Posted by navigator

why? I don't see what he will achieve by reraising turn

we achieve getting it all in and winning more moneys? We have 13bb? Wtf you wanta do with them?

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03-14-2010 , 06:22 AM

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D1iabol1cal

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Originally Posted by Mark89er

we achieve getting it all in and winning more moneys? We have 13bb? Wtf you wanta do with them?

It is a 5c table.

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03-14-2010 , 06:25 AM

#15

navigator

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imo it's value raise from villain on turn. If that so, we are not beating much and mostly will be called only by better hands. Sometimes they will have worst king, but I think not enough times.

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03-14-2010 , 07:47 AM

#16

jooonaz

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Shove, if he is not nitty he can be valuebetting any 8 here, 33 is pretty much only hand that beats you.

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03-14-2010 , 10:07 AM

#17

gAlpha

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No reads? We need some reads...

Edit: Wait, no we don't, easy call.

Bet more on both the flop and turn. Your turn bet size is horribly small and you're losing value to weaker kings which will definitely call you.

As played, shove river and it's not close. You're losing to precisely K8 and 33 and beating all lone 8's, K's and lower flushes, and it's 5NL so you're not exactly playing masterminds of poker here.

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03-14-2010 , 10:16 AM

#18

IN THE OVEN

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Your line looks so weak OP. Think about how that might affect villain.

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03-14-2010 , 10:34 AM

#19

Nighthawk81

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Originally Posted by gAlpha

Bet more on both the flop and turn. Your turn bet size is horribly small and you're losing value to weaker kings which will definitely call you.

As played, shove river and it's not close. You're losing to precisely K8 and 33 and beating all lone 8's, K's and lower flushes, and it's 5NL so you're not exactly playing masterminds of poker here.

+1, your hand is well disguised, so getting it in on the river is fine.

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03-14-2010 , 12:45 PM

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sirbenfro

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Bet more on turn. You should be trying to get it in here
JFC

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03-14-2010 , 12:48 PM

#21

vikingkong

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Your turn bet is lame, you might have induced here. I wouldn't put it past some playing a flush this way, just shove river

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03-14-2010 , 12:49 PM

#22

kommmaklar

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So we are basically afraid of 33 and 88? Lol.
Fistpump shove all-in AINEC.

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03-14-2010 , 12:51 PM

#23

lemming

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Bet turn bigger, shove river yourself.

As played call/shove.

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03-14-2010 , 02:01 PM

#24

Jamie Goldeen

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Stats and reads would be cool.

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Originally Posted by vikingkong

Your turn bet is lame, you might have induced here.

This theory of betting small to induce is near fallacy. In practice it happens very rarely. If I'm wrong, then feel free to start betting 45% pot with your value hands and see how you get on.

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Originally Posted by vikingkong

I wouldn't put it past some playing a flush this way, just shove river.

uNL is a largely Balugawhalian community, so we're largely discounting Kx and flush draws from villains range.

We lose to 2 combos of K8s + 3 combos of 33 + 1 combo of 88.

8 combos of A8 alone make shoving the river profitable without considering 87s etc.