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09-07-2009 , 07:09 PM

sasha

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Villain is ericontilt run at about 26/21 , winning reg

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SB: $918.60
BB: $461.00
UTG: $463.60
MP: $722.10
Hero (CO): $997.30

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG with J

hero raises to $12, 1 fold, CO calls $12, 3 folds

Flop: ($30.00) 2

(2 players)
hero bets $20.00, co calls $20

Turn: ($70.00) 8

(2 players)
HERO bets $44.00, co calls $44

River: ($158.00) K

(2 players)
hero bets $108.00, co raises to $921.30

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09-07-2009 , 07:17 PM

nuggetz87

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hh switcharound fail.

i'd probably fold though.

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09-07-2009 , 07:21 PM

sasha

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Originally Posted by nuggetz87

hh switcharound fail.

i'd probably fold though.

Lol, just wanted to know from villian perspective, cause Id pbly fold also

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09-07-2009 , 07:22 PM

Buff Disciple

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I think vs him its close

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09-07-2009 , 07:56 PM

_pairwin_

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gotta be a fold

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09-07-2009 , 08:44 PM

harangutang

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Seems like an easy b/f without much history. Villain is going to almost always have a boat when he shoves since he isn't really going to get to the river with a pair/87 and then shove as a bluff.

AKdd is probably in his range too, although it's only one combo.

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09-08-2009 , 12:01 AM

schreech26

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i only read the title - you should fold vs a decent player.

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09-08-2009 , 09:53 AM

sasha

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Like nuggets said, I switched hh around so I guess the play was ok
This float , double float is not standard, but i thought if im ahead, he will give up river, once eh nets I thought he is v-betting a pair between 8-qq.
Sometimes he will have ak, or sets

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The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $223.20
SB: $918.60
BB: $461.00
UTG: $463.60
MP: $722.10
Hero (CO): $997.30

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is CO with Q

UTG raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $12, 3 folds

Flop: ($30.00) 2

(2 players)
UTG bets $20.00, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($70.00) 8

(2 players)
UTG bets $44.00, Hero calls $44

River: ($158.00) K

(2 players)
UTG bets $108.00, Hero raises to $921.30, UTG calls $279.60 all in

Final Pot: $933.20
UTG shows J

Hero shows Q

UTG wins $930.20
(Rake: $3.00)

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09-08-2009 , 01:32 PM

harangutang

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What are you ahead of on the turn? QJs?

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09-08-2009 , 01:41 PM

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tannenj

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i'd call w/ JJ on the river against you

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09-08-2009 , 02:20 PM

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Peligro!

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I think it's a hardfast rule that repping only sets as a bluff is always a bad idea.

7 combos of value and JJ is the same as AA. And you can only have like 2 combos of bluffs here, assuming you don't discount your nutted combos at all.

Are you bluffing with more than 2 combos here? Probably

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09-08-2009 , 02:54 PM

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jungy121

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Originally Posted by nuggetz87

hh switcharound fail.

i'd probably fold though.

lol wow you read his soul. insta soulread. ni han suh.

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09-08-2009 , 03:23 PM

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PokerPrince

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It's actually a good play to have in your repetoire, especially if you play your monsters like this too from time to time. I'de much prefer to make this move vs a more nitty ABC reg though. Also it's better to have a flop of say 755r than 722r for this play because there are more combos you can legitimately represent.

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09-08-2009 , 04:01 PM

#14

Peligro!

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Well of course he plays his monsters like this, and not just from time to time I assume.

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09-08-2009 , 06:18 PM

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schreech26

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Originally Posted by Peligro!

Are you bluffing with more than 2 combos here? Probably

especially if hero's making it to the river w/ AQ

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09-08-2009 , 06:26 PM

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ahead up

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The whole hh switching thing was massively confusing. ericontilt is a beast. Don't ever try something like that on him again.

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09-08-2009 , 06:56 PM

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Buff Disciple

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I do think eric is v good, but like I said...w/out giving too many reads if I bet this river I dunno if I fold to a shove too often vs him

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09-08-2009 , 08:20 PM

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gonzalo86

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3beting pre and c/r the flop would make your bluff look more convincing

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09-08-2009 , 08:25 PM

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wdead

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You are only beating a double float or a med-PP turned into a bluff. I dont think your standard players are double floating (and bluff raising rivers) so this seems like a safe enough fold.

Something to consider... What is your calling range here? How is JJ different from QK, when you get shoved on...

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