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Structered hand analysis, help fix any flaws? Structered hand analysis, help fix any flaws?

01-17-2008 , 12:41 PM
I took this from a post on another forum that I am on, and was wondering if someone here might be able to look it over and let me know where the mistakes are. Not with the actually % reads, but witht he system and the calculations.

cheers

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ok, so I have had some time to sleep and think about this and I think I know where I went wrong. It had a little bit to do with the numbers logun thrown out, and a bit to do with me just being stupid. Here is what I came up with after some rest.

When we bet out at this pot, we are spending $147 to win $249. of the times we bet, I figure that he folds 20% of the time. The other 80% of the time he calls, we have him on a range of hands that leaves us with a 32% equity.

So with that, if we bet it should look something like this:

.20 * $249 = $49.80
(or 20% of the time we will win the pot of $249)

.80 * .32 * $534 = $136.7
(or, 80% of the time we will win 32% of the total pot of $534)

If we add these two together, we get $186.5. so we are risking $147 to win an expectaion of $186.50. For a net expectation of $39.50

In this scenario, we might want to change the numbers a little too. maybe he never folds here, maybe our range was wrong etc. These things will effect the outcome of your EV and are why your reads must be so precise.

Now, let's look at if we check call. If we check there is a chance he will check behind. If this happens his range cannot be the one we had given him before. It will change, and in this situation we are favored a lot more, since hands that beat us will deffinetly bet the end. There are a range of hands that we should but the villain on here, but I am getting late for work, and I do not want to do a whole call down range. I said before that we were a slight dog, but I know feel that was a mistake on my part. I feel if he checks behind we are about an 80:20 favorite.

So with that, chek, check looks like this.

.20 * .80 * $249 = 39.84
(or, 20% of the time we will win 80% of the existing pot of $249 when he checks behind.)

**Note that him checking behind is simular to him folding to our bet.

If villain bets we already agreed that we are calling 100% of the time. There is also a different betting range for him than the one we had before as well, but I think I going to leave it as is, and just factor in a bluff %. I get a little slipped up here though and I think this is were I need some advice. I feel the situation should look like this.

.80 * .05 * $534 = $21.36
(or, 80% of the time he bets, 5% of those times will be a bluff and we will win the pot of $534)

.80 * .95 * .32 * $534 = $137.99 (it's a bargain from $138 )
(or, 80% of the times he bets out, 95% of those time he will have a hand that is within our range and we have an equity of 32% of the $534 pot)

So when we Check with the intention of calling his AI, we are risking $147 to win $199.19. This number benefits from the fact that sometime he checks behind when we check and we get to control the pot.

So checking nets us an EV of: $52.19

These numbers again are heavily subjected to reads though, and can be thrown in any direction.

I feel I have done a better job of explaining this this time, but there may still be some flaws. Hopefully someone can give me feedback.
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01-17-2008 , 08:31 PM
so if not here, where would be a good place to post this?
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01-17-2008 , 08:38 PM
i'm sorry, i don't see what's wrong with this.
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01-17-2008 , 08:39 PM
I'm confused about the context of this post? Please explain what is going on, then we will be better able to help you.
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01-17-2008 , 08:40 PM
i should say, i ain't got me calculator out, but using a bit of mental arithmetic these numbers seem in the right ballpark, what do you think is wrong with them?
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01-17-2008 , 08:58 PM
It is not so much the numbers, but the use of the equations. I am asuming the numbers are actually right, but do we use the answers to those equations in this way to find the EV of betting out or C/C.

This was a HU situation that someone had posted about n another forum I frequent. I wanted to show the difference in EV between leading the river AI or checking with the intention of calling his AI.

It is not so much the range equities and stuff I was wondering about, but the the use of those equities to find the EV.
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