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12-04-2007 , 01:13 AM

OSUGreg1983

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CO 100/75(4)
But 50/0(2)

No reads really, been sitting for only a few hands. If I cbet $8-$9 I've committed myself to any raise since A

is in villains range given pf action.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $24.65
Hero (SB): $24.75
BB: $3.50
UTG: $25.90
MP: $67.20
CO: $12.45

Pre-Flop: J

dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, MP raises to $1, CO folds, BTN calls $1, Hero raises to $4.15, BB folds, MP calls $3.15, BTN calls $3.15

Flop: ($12.70) 8

(3 Players)
[color=red]Hero

Last edited by OSUGreg1983; 12-04-2007 at 01:17 AM.

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12-04-2007 , 01:18 AM

n4rf

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C/F. I played a similar hand earlier when I was against 2 opponents and tehre was an overcard, Queen. I hate it but when people call your raises, you're not necessarily going to be ahead here.

Sometimes I'll C-bet, but I rarely ever expect to take it down since it's failed many times in the past which is why I C/F. Some say it's weak but playing a hand like JJ OOP is a pain in the ass...

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12-04-2007 , 01:20 AM

slush420

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c/f is fine in this spot as is CRAI vs MP so long as BTN folds. It's pretty much one of those spots with an underpair 2nd pair OOP against 3 villains so if you're going to play it for any money, CRAI is likely best since pot is big enough to turn JJ into a bluff. I would c/f this ~85% of the time normally.

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12-04-2007 , 01:22 AM

ceavou22

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C/f is too exploitable IMO, I like one c-bet and then we are done with it.

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12-04-2007 , 01:25 AM

n4rf

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Originally Posted by ceavou22

C/f is too exploitable IMO, I like one c-bet and then we are done with it.

See the problem with that is that you're c-bet is going to have to be a decent chunk since the pot is so big. If you make the bet too small, that's exploitable. And if you make it standard (like $10) then you risk losing a lot of chips and you've just committed yourself to the hand.

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12-04-2007 , 01:27 AM

OSUGreg1983

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Originally Posted by ceavou22

C/f is too exploitable IMO, I like one c-bet and then we are done with it.

How do we commit 50% of our stack and quit, especially with club draw possible?

Edit: aggree with n4rf

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12-04-2007 , 01:29 AM

slush420

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I don't like cbetting here at all.. we hate calls and we hate shoves with ~2/5ths of our stack invested so I see this as a lot more -EV than a CRAI or just check/folding too. this is only exploitable if we are playing heads-up but a king is likely enough to be in their range of calling 3bets here that a c/f here is fine. just be sure to mix up your game and CRAI here sometimes as loose aggressive players often have more fold equity than TAGs who have good knowledge of committment thresholds.

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12-04-2007 , 01:30 AM

ceavou22

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Yea I missed stack sizes, ok c/f seems good then.

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