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07-29-2009 , 03:15 PM
f u all that ignore my stats
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07-29-2009 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by McAvoy
f u all that ignore my stats
gap between your SB VPIP and PFR is huge. this is probably a leak. be more selective about completing in the SB. Ditto for BB but not as bad.
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07-29-2009 , 11:54 PM


Hi All, just a very curious question. This is my graph for this month and i find that all the upswongs are actually weekends and all the b/e are weekdays. What can I interpret this as? I am good vs the weekend donks and b/e vs the regs on weekdays? is this just a heater / cooler situation. I am pissed that my graph looks like some sort of steps where i have so many b/e stretches and sudden bursts of upswings when a consistent play / upswing would be natural over such a large sample.
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07-30-2009 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by McAvoy
f u all that ignore my stats
you look pretty tight in LP

try like 28-25 from button and like 23-20 from cutoff.

I know you cant produce these exact numbers but just as an estimate or soemthing to shoot for, basically play much less nitty in lp.

how are you running at pot limit? if you arent several buyins below ev then you need to filter pot limit out of your lobby.

less than 2 aggression seems low but idont know much about that stat

nice red line but you seem to win at a higher rate when it goes down instead of up.

Last edited by sharkscopeaholic; 07-30-2009 at 12:08 AM.
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07-30-2009 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by zugzwangg


Hi All, just a very curious question. This is my graph for this month and i find that all the upswongs are actually weekends and all the b/e are weekdays. What can I interpret this as? I am good vs the weekend donks and b/e vs the regs on weekdays? is this just a heater / cooler situation. I am pissed that my graph looks like some sort of steps where i have so many b/e stretches and sudden bursts of upswings when a consistent play / upswing would be natural over such a large sample.
The week days are normally tougher than the weekend, simply because a lot of donks are only playing during the week end. That said your graph maybe looks like that because of pure variance, who knows..
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07-30-2009 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dabomb75
yea I know but I was doing most of what he had written in his guide before I read it, and most people agree that it's a pretty good baseline to start winning at the micros. But whatever, I guess it's just a style choice anyways. I was just trying to help...
It's just that teaching people to limp to win at 2NL is a short term choice that a) teaches bad habits b) doesn't necessarily work (it might).

We're all trying to help :-)
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07-30-2009 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by funkyj
gap between your SB VPIP and PFR is huge. this is probably a leak. be more selective about completing in the SB. Ditto for BB but not as bad.
Yea it is, I was limping way too much for a while in the SB, I've since stopped doing it as much and will continue to get tighter. Thanks for pointing this out though and reinforcing it.

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you look pretty tight in LP

try like 28-25 from button and like 23-20 from cutoff.

I know you cant produce these exact numbers but just as an estimate or soemthing to shoot for, basically play much less nitty in lp.

how are you running at pot limit? if you arent several buyins below ev then you need to filter pot limit out of your lobby.

less than 2 aggression seems low but idont know much about that stat

nice red line but you seem to win at a higher rate when it goes down instead of up.
I will try and open up my game a little more in LP and take advantage of that slightly more than I am now. I guess I wasn't totally factoring in cbets being a profitable factor in them as well. I also started to play alot more of a fit or fold style about 1.5 months ago and too many of those habbits are in my game.

As for PL, I am running maybe 2 BI's below EV but still a loser for this month if I factor it in, but last month I was a winner at the same bb/100 as NL. I think maybe I should stop playing it.

I've never really been a fan of having a nice red line, all I have cared about is positive WR. I was actually surprised how much up it was. What do you think causes my WR to go up, when my red line isn't up as much?




Thanks for the comments u2, I really appreciate you talking the time to look over my stats. I'm taking a break today from playing and plan on getting back to the grind tomorrow and will try incorporate your suggestions.
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07-30-2009 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by McAvoy
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I will try and open up my game a little more in LP and take advantage of that slightly more than I am now. I guess I wasn't totally factoring in cbets being a profitable factor in them as well. I also started to play alot more of a fit or fold style about 1.5 months ago and too many of those habbits are in my game.
vis-a-vis opening up in LP: (re)read the stealing, cbetting and stealing CotW posts. And read the stealing CotW too.
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07-30-2009 , 06:29 PM
I need advice about these. I know my vpip is low, and I'm planning on loosening a bit. This is with 16 tables, and my wr sucks, but should improve with more disciplined folding and stealing more blinds. any other glaring leaks?

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07-31-2009 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 300zxrider
I've played ~14K hands of full ring at 2NL and 5NL and am down about 1 buyin. Can anybody offer me any advice or comments on my stats that might help me start winning?


Thanks

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From what little I know and can see, I would say cbet and 3bet more, esp your prem hands. @ 2nl and 5nl, they will get paid off.
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07-31-2009 , 07:17 PM
Hi - first post I'm a long time lurker of the two plus two forum. I've alternated between 16 tabling 25NL/50NL for the last 3 months although the 50NL FR tables are unbelieveably nitty. I was unsatisified with my BB/100 at 50NL or above and for this month I decided to drop down to 25NL and completely rework my game - I think I'm ready to move back up to 50NL but would like some advice. Please, if you see anything wrong with these stats let me know - I am sick of barely doing better than playing breakeven poker at 50NL or above. The pictures below are my results for this month. Sample size is 145k - would greatly appreciate a response.






If you need me to post anything else let me know and I'll be happy to do it.
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07-31-2009 , 09:37 PM
arkk-

You have pretty stats; open up more from the cutoff . Look at the difference between your button and cutoff stats.
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08-01-2009 , 05:59 AM
These are my last 45k hands or so at 25nl.





My flop cbet is too low and I should really be opening up more but what I'm concerned about is that my WTSD is at 20%. Are there any suggestions or common occurrences that you see people failing at that would contribute to this? I'm really looking to fix this and the OP didn't really go into fixing WTSD that well.
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08-01-2009 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkscopeaholic
arkk-

You have pretty stats; open up more from the cutoff . Look at the difference between your button and cutoff stats.
Thanks for the reply - will work on stealing more from the CO.
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08-01-2009 , 02:50 PM
For everyone using HEM and playing Full ring, if you want your stats by positions :

http://www.holdemmanager.net/forum/s...tion+full+ring


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Originally Posted by Strongsville

My flop cbet is too low and I should really be opening up more but what I'm concerned about is that my WTSD is at 20%. Are there any suggestions or common occurrences that you see people failing at that would contribute to this? I'm really looking to fix this and the OP didn't really go into fixing WTSD that well.
Fold less and/or post hands??

Also 3bet more from the blinds FFS (specially against steals). 2,1% is KK+ AK.
Try 22+ AQ+ for some time (against steals), then maybe add more...

You seem like someone who play good poker but doesn't adjust.
ie: you only 3bet KK+ AK no matter who raised or from what position he raised. I would also take the guess that you never stack off for 100bbs with TPTK no matter what the board is or who are you playing against. Amright??

The good thing is that not adjusting works well in micros.
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08-01-2009 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyJack
For everyone using HEM and playing Full ring, if you want your stats by positions :

http://www.holdemmanager.net/forum/s...tion+full+ring




Fold less and/or post hands??

Also 3bet more from the blinds FFS (specially against steals). 2,1% is KK+ AK.
Try 22+ AQ+ for some time (against steals), then maybe add more...

You seem like someone who play good poker but doesn't adjust.
ie: you only 3bet KK+ AK no matter who raised or from what position he raised. I would also take the guess that you never stack off for 100bbs with TPTK no matter what the board is or who are you playing against. Amright??

The good thing is that not adjusting works well in micros.
I try to 3bet QQ+ and AK unless the raiser is UTG and super tight like 7/6 or something. I also do 3bet light occasionally from the blinds. I also had a light 4bet against a villain yesterday when I noticed him restealing from the blinds. As far as stacking off with TPTK, for sure I do. Against a fish, TPTK is the nuts.
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08-03-2009 , 09:22 AM
hey everybody

this is my first reply on this forum - so please be kind if i **** something up

I´ve read the first couple of pages and now i´d like to question my stats.

Short background info:

I started playing earlier this year with a 50$ depposit bonus on full tilt poker. I shortly moved from SNG to CG nl2 FR.

I can´t play poker everyday so it´s up to some late night sessions during the week and some week-end sessions every now and then - why i tell you that? i want to have an excuse for my small sample size

and before anybody likes to flame about it - i do it myself!: omfg lol look at your samplesize! come back with 30k hands - OMFG you call that playing poker?

ok - now that´s done- let´s have a look

Hands: aprox. 7,5k

VPIP: 17,3
PFR: 11,9
AF: 3,42 (don´t know how to break this up for every single street in hold em manager)
Blindsteals: 28,9%

Went to SD in %: 27,5
Won SD: 44,4%
Won when saw Flop: 40,4

VPIP/PFR per Position:
BTN: 16,2 10,5
LP : 15,9 11,8
MP: 13,3 9,5
EP: 11,7 9,8
SB: 31,1 16,6
BB: 21,5 16,4

I have some comments about it myself but would like to hear anothers person point of view first.

thanks for taking your time


edit: here´s my graph

Last edited by eNots; 08-03-2009 at 09:33 AM.
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08-03-2009 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by eNots
Hands: aprox. 7,5k

VPIP: 17,3
PFR: 11,9
AF: 3,42 (don´t know how to break this up for every single street in hold em manager)
Blindsteals: 28,9%

Went to SD in %: 27,5
Won SD: 44,4%
Won when saw Flop: 40,4

VPIP/PFR per Position:
BTN: 16,2 10,5
LP : 15,9 11,8
MP: 13,3 9,5
EP: 11,7 9,8
SB: 31,1 16,6
BB: 21,5 16,4
way too loose in the blinds, too tight in LP/BTN. blinds VPIP should never be higher than BTN/LP.
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08-04-2009 , 06:34 AM
I have been playing 10NL for about 2 months and have been running pretty average. My stats are below, I would really appreciate any comments.
From my own perspective, I know I have a BIG leak in my blind play, but I am just not sure what to do about this / how to stop it. ALso my WTSD is quite low, am I being too cautious and folding the winning hand often?
Thanks in advance for any comments





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08-04-2009 , 09:35 AM
@ funkyj

thanks for your quick feedback

after relooking my stats (did that before i posted actually) i noticed the same. as for right now i really try to use position way more and really tighten up my blind range but losen up on the button.

but what about my showdown and aggr. factors? do they look fine?

bcuz when you look at my graph (even compared to mikexz) it really looks strange doesn´t it?

i only make money with non-showdown hands. mainly this consits of cbets and reraises on the flop.

i think - my problem is i don´t decide if id like to play a hand on the flop and if i chose to do so i really push it (only the good ones - hey it´s nl2) but rather i play a hand and get sucked in.
i really get passive on the turn (cuz i don´t really have a hand..) and then calling the river bet too much with "something" - for example middle pair. that´s fishy huh?

i wonder how you guys get such show down winnings. I really tightened up my range and only play Hands like any pp´s, AJ+ and that´s it. If the odds are quite comfortable i add in Ax suited for flush-draws - but really.. that´s it! Still my show down winnings sucks. Sure i lost the last 15 out of 20 showdowns when i was all-in. but this really is everything?

Do you fold your KK on an A high board if you get a call and a turn donkbet? and only bet if there is no A or any other dangerous combo to get the pot home safe?
I really feel kinda lost here - should i only value bet with the nuts?

I´m really into poker and i read alot of theoretic stuffs, articles etc. but when it comes down to playing i really have some troubles getting paid out with my big hands.

the only thing i´m constantly good is when playing the flop....
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08-04-2009 , 06:20 PM
I know small sample size. Since winrates are meaningless over such a few hands I only want to know what I can do better. All hands played at NL25.



Thanks a lot
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08-05-2009 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by eNots
but what about my showdown and aggr. factors? do they look fine?
I ignore that stat myself. Many a good player uses it though.
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i only make money with non-showdown hands. mainly this consits of cbets and reraises on the flop.
perhaps you need to distinguish between playing the nutz aggressively and value betting.

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i wonder how you guys get such show down winnings. I really tightened up my range and only play Hands like any pp´s, AJ+ and that´s it. If the odds are quite comfortable i add in Ax suited for flush-draws - but really.. that´s it! Still my show down winnings sucks. Sure i lost the last 15 out of 20 showdowns when i was all-in. but this really is everything?
poker basic: weak hand --> small pot, strong hand --> big pot.
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08-05-2009 , 09:52 AM
Hello,

here are my PT stats at 25$ tables.

Hope good player can help me. Thanks in advance!

Tab General


Tab Details
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3003/tabdetails.png

Tab Positions


Tab Graph



I add my pair stats because maybe I do something wrong with small pairs (I usually call preflop raise hoping for a flop set)


One thing I think I should improve is playing more hands near the button.

Hope to receive good advices from you.

Only one question: would you go up to 50$ tables with this stats?

Thanks!!
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08-05-2009 , 02:36 PM
^^You are open limping excessively and that is why your VPIP and PFR are so far apart. These #'s need to be alot closer to each other (like PFR should be about 80% of VPIP). If a hand is folded to you and you play then you should be raising it instead of limping. I would not move up until you fix this as 50NL is alot more aggressive and players will be isoraising you all the time if you continue to limp into pots instead of raising them. You also need to open up more from the Hijack, CO, and button and your 3bet % is a bit on the low side. It looks like you are only 3 betting with QQ-AA
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08-05-2009 , 03:23 PM
Thank you CWsports, I really appreciated your advices.

I got that the distance between VP$IP and PFR was my main issue, but now I'm sure. I'll try to work on this.

What about my pair stats? Any other issue?

Thanks a lot!
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