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04-03-2022 , 02:14 PM
Folding frequencies post flop are extremely high... correlates with your low WTSD% of ~25. Your WSD is actually low considering these values however which is a bit weird. Would assume high wsd and high river call efficiency. I don't see your RCE listed here can you post that?

But yeah just based on those stats you're basically overfolding by a pretty significant margin post flop.
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04-03-2022 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Folding frequencies post flop are extremely high... correlates with your low WTSD% of ~25. Your WSD is actually low considering these values however which is a bit weird. Would assume high wsd and high river call efficiency. I don't see your RCE listed here can you post that?

But yeah just based on those stats you're basically overfolding by a pretty significant margin post flop.
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Ok thanks for your thoughts. My guess would be I've been playing too "hit or fold" post flop. I'm probably incorrectly giving people too much credit, as 25NL is lower stakes and it's "zoom" poker, so I assume people are tighter in all spots, rather than just pre.

If I get in spots where I'm unsure post flop now I'll mark them and use the forums for analysis.
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04-04-2022 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Post SB steal success, you're currently very tight in SB
They added the Steal Success stat.

From the SB it's 88.6%
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04-05-2022 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
They added the Steal Success stat.

From the SB it's 88.6%
lol it's not 89%. Either the stat is inputted wrong or you've selected the wrong stat.
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04-05-2022 , 07:42 AM


So the pandemic got me back into poker. I fooled around a little bit, but now I seem to be running hot at 10z. My red line is very steep but I still feel like I win most of my BB from valuebetting. I never got really good with PT anyone know how to figure that out?
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04-05-2022 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
lol it's not 89%. Either the stat is inputted wrong or you've selected the wrong stat.

it does seem high. I've asked FreakDaddy to take a look.


Last edited by newguyhere; 04-05-2022 at 09:10 AM.
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04-05-2022 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
it does seem high. I've asked FreakDaddy to take a look.

Yeah, I noticed this yesterday also. The overall report it's fine, but position report it's not. I already spoke to the dev team. ty.
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04-06-2022 , 05:05 PM
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it does seem high. I've asked FreakDaddy to take a look.

It's fixed already now Fyi. It's my fault because I tried to rush it in last minute when they were doing a build.
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04-06-2022 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Daedaluss


So the pandemic got me back into poker. I fooled around a little bit, but now I seem to be running hot at 10z. My red line is very steep but I still feel like I win most of my BB from valuebetting. I never got really good with PT anyone know how to figure that out?
with a graph like that, your winrate is probably not mostly coming from getting called by worse when you value-bet, though it's not impossible. A breakeven blue line and a high redline could mean that you're bluff-catching aggressively (hence spots where a lot of people would fold river and tank their redline go into your blue line instead). But it's tough to read too much into it over 10k hands, besides that you have a high redline. Blueline downswings can definitely happen for 10k hands (along with redline upswings, though that's less common)

What is your river call efficiency? That could give some insight into your bluffcatching. There's usually not much that you can learn just by looking at a graph, and usually not much you can learn from stats over a 10k hand sample, outside of finding large leaks
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04-09-2022 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
lol it's not 89%. Either the stat is inputted wrong or you've selected the wrong stat.
The steal success stat has been fixed in the latest update.

It's 46.93 from the SB
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04-09-2022 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
The steal success stat has been fixed in the latest update.

It's 46.93 from the SB
whatever value then, can still be tight for now in sb not really losing much in ev.
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04-09-2022 , 03:37 PM
This is my last 6months / 80k hands sample. Is there a better way to output this from Hand2note?

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04-09-2022 , 05:27 PM
Too tight of OR otb and SB. Seems like you are overfolding most spots except vs 3b, but you are folding way too much vs 4b and in lines where you check at some point.
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04-10-2022 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Too tight of OR otb and SB. Seems like you are overfolding most spots except vs 3b, but you are folding way too much vs 4b and in lines where you check at some point.
Can you elaborate on the overfolding in most spots please..

Any tips for using Hand2note?
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04-10-2022 , 08:23 AM
Fold to turn cbet should be around 40-45 yours is 55. When you skip cbet ip or oop you are folding 65%, it should be at least 50% but solver folds even less then that.
Your Won at SD is super high 60, which means you are not bluff catching enough and you probably make way too hero folds.

Work on those lines that involve check at some point.

I dont use H2N.
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04-10-2022 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Fold to turn cbet should be around 40-45 yours is 55. When you skip cbet ip or oop you are folding 65%, it should be at least 50% but solver folds even less then that.
Your Won at SD is super high 60, which means you are not bluff catching enough and you probably make way too hero folds.

Work on those lines that involve check at some point.

I dont use H2N.
Agree with this. Your W$SD is way high
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04-11-2022 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Fold to turn cbet should be around 40-45 yours is 55. When you skip cbet ip or oop you are folding 65%, it should be at least 50% but solver folds even less then that.
Your Won at SD is super high 60, which means you are not bluff catching enough and you probably make way too hero folds.

Work on those lines that involve check at some point.

I dont use H2N.
Yeah I've always been aware of my high WSD.. And also WWSF being on the low side..

Should I filter RFI-cbet flop-cbet turn and check river?
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04-11-2022 , 04:34 PM
There are couple of easy fixes.

First learn what BU and SB RFI ranges should be. Also i think you are folding too much from BB vs steal.
Next would be to fix folding so much after you miss cbet. OOP you can fix this by checking 100% of your range. IP you can learn with gtowizard. You pick board and then look at turn strategy after check/check, before you look at solve write down what do you think are the weakest hands solver will call, then look and see how far off are you, repeat the protocol until you get good feel for the spot then move to the next one. Which probably should be BUvBB BU cbets turns goes check-check and then learn how to play river (what hands should you bluff catch which to value bet ect.).

Your stats in barreling lines are not ideal. but are ok and pool dose not bluff those lines enough anyway, so folding too much there is not a big deal.
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04-13-2022 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
There are couple of easy fixes.

First learn what BU and SB RFI ranges should be. Also i think you are folding too much from BB vs steal.
Next would be to fix folding so much after you miss cbet. OOP you can fix this by checking 100% of your range. IP you can learn with gtowizard. You pick board and then look at turn strategy after check/check, before you look at solve write down what do you think are the weakest hands solver will call, then look and see how far off are you, repeat the protocol until you get good feel for the spot then move to the next one. Which probably should be BUvBB BU cbets turns goes check-check and then learn how to play river (what hands should you bluff catch which to value bet ect.).

Your stats in barreling lines are not ideal. but are ok and pool dose not bluff those lines enough anyway, so folding too much there is not a big deal.
Hi

Thanks..

Do I filter then for when I raise first in and cbet flop and check turn and face villain river bet?

Also

When I face turn barrels?
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04-13-2022 , 12:45 PM
My winrate in the bb is -43bb, I am playing nl2. I have no idea if its good or bad. Whats does a good winrate in the bb look like? I am also struggeling from utg with +4bb/100, what should it be at least?
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04-13-2022 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by etobej
My winrate in the bb is -43bb, I am playing nl2. I have no idea if its good or bad. Whats does a good winrate in the bb look like? I am also struggeling from utg with +4bb/100, what should it be at least?
Are those evbb winrates? I mean you have winning rate from sb. I think something in between - 20-30bb/100 is decent. And ep tenish I guess. 3b more from the bb to begin with. From utg you seem to play pretty fitfold so pay attention to that. Pretty solid wr anyway fix few leaks and you are good to go higher imo.
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04-13-2022 , 01:24 PM
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Are those evbb winrates?
no, its the "real" winrate

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I mean you have winning rate from sb.
My samplesize is small, sb will drop very soon, its just variance..

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I think something in between - 20-30bb/100 is decent.
for the bb u mean, right?
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04-13-2022 , 01:45 PM
BB yes.
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04-13-2022 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by etobej
My winrate in the bb is -43bb, I am playing nl2. I have no idea if its good or bad. Whats does a good winrate in the bb look like? I am also struggeling from utg with +4bb/100, what should it be at least?
Keep in mind you'll want a pretty large sample size for positional winrates to converge to something meaningful. Your winrate in the blinds will be negative and that is normal. You can look at the following thread and excerpt from a book to get an idea of what positional winrates should approximately be for 6max nlh.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...rates-1774082/

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04-14-2022 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
There are couple of easy fixes.

First learn what BU and SB RFI ranges should be. Also i think you are folding too much from BB vs steal.
Next would be to fix folding so much after you miss cbet. OOP you can fix this by checking 100% of your range. IP you can learn with gtowizard. You pick board and then look at turn strategy after check/check, before you look at solve write down what do you think are the weakest hands solver will call, then look and see how far off are you, repeat the protocol until you get good feel for the spot then move to the next one. Which probably should be BUvBB BU cbets turns goes check-check and then learn how to play river (what hands should you bluff catch which to value bet ect.).

Your stats in barreling lines are not ideal. but are ok and pool dose not bluff those lines enough anyway, so folding too much there is not a big deal.
I paid for a sub on gtowizard yesterday and spent hours playing around with different lines and run outs etc..

I purchased GTO+ last year, and before I upgraded my gtowizard sub I would use the free solution and then continue on GTO+.. Out of the two I prefer Gtowizard but is there a use for both?

I've looked at hero BTN vs BB.. Looked at different lines and how equities change with different run outs.. I also play the role in reverse and have hero OOP..
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