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04-02-2022 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by aner0
-Fold to 3b is outrageously high, watch out specially when opening late position. Don't swing the other way because people 3b too tight at lower stakes.
-4b extremely low
Basically fix your preflop by looking at some solver generated ranges

-For postflop, you're playing way too weak (Overfolding a lot to the slightest of aggression) and betting way too often probably way too linear. You are overestimating the benefits of protection and betting very thin for value instead of checking to induce. Instead, get more aggro with bluffs

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
The fold to 3bet stat he posted is not the correct one. You'd want "fold to 3bet after raising" IDK what it's specifically called off the top of my head, but it would show up on the ribbon as "2B PF and fold"

Hi guys - Thanks for taking the time to reply . Please see stat you are discussing below:



Post flop wise - I will have a look at what you've mentioned. Historically I've always found myself calling down too light e.g. calling too many flop x/raises. However it's entirely possible I've gone completely the opposite way after such a long break off! I will also consider my C-betting spots etc.

I don't have a solver but I'll have a look on the internet for the pre-flop stuff, 4-bet etc . Are there any particular sources you recommend?

Last edited by Yip; 04-02-2022 at 07:36 AM.
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04-02-2022 , 07:37 AM
you'd want to post 2b pf and fold ip and 2b pf and fold oop

would also be useful if you post RFI in same ss

Last edited by Brokenstars; 04-02-2022 at 07:47 AM.
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04-02-2022 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
you'd want to post 2b pf and fold ip and 2b pf and fold oop

would also be useful if you post RFI in same ss
Hi

Please find stats below, along with all others. I've added the 3 you requested to the end:



Also since I posted my original graph etc I actually made a few adjustments. I had obviously noticed that my blue line was steadily trending in the right direction but the red line was heading on a much steeper negative trajectory! I've managed to slow down the acuteness of the red line a bit now and I'm still taking a relatively decent set of hands to showdown it would appear (although I'm sure I'm still being weak post flop). It's only 8K additional hands but there's improvement.



Also I've signed up to GTO wizard, as the pre-flop ranges are free. So I've dropped the number of tables down that I'm playing, so if I get in a spot I can look at it straight away after the hand.
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04-02-2022 , 09:15 AM
Wanted to do a quick checkup on my last 50k hands. See what fixes need to be made. Please let me know if there are any other stats worth including.



Graph:



Stats:


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04-02-2022 , 10:59 AM
Seems too tight passive overall. Maybe post more detail 3b, OR by position. Cbet IP/OOP.
In general you probably want to 3b/4b more aggressively, steal more form later positions.
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04-02-2022 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Yip
Hi

Please find stats below, along with all others. I've added the 3 you requested to the end:


Can defend more in BTN

Can fold a bit more OOP in the other positions.

Not a particularly large concern atm.
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04-02-2022 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Seems too tight passive overall. Maybe post more detail 3b, OR by position. Cbet IP/OOP.
In general you probably want to 3b/4b more aggressively, steal more form later positions.
I typically use GTOWiz ranges. Would you recommend widening the hands I 3b with to hands not in those ranges, or just increase the frequency of the hands in the ranges?


Here are some stats by position

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04-02-2022 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
Wanted to do a quick checkup on my last 50k hands. See what fixes need to be made. Please let me know if there are any other stats worth including.



Graph:



Stats:


Post SB steal success, you're currently very tight in SB
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04-02-2022 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Post SB steal success, you're currently very tight in SB
I don't have a SB steal success stat, but I did post SB Steal % above.
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04-02-2022 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
I don't have a SB steal success stat, but I did post SB Steal % above.
There isn't Steal succ%?
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04-02-2022 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
There isn't Steal succ%?
No. For some reason there is only 3b success and 4b success
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04-02-2022 , 11:37 AM
Are you 100% sure? That'd be really weird.

Post your BB 3b vs SB, BB fold vs SB RFI, BB call vs SB RFI

low SB RFI probably means you're leaking in BB vs SB node.
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04-02-2022 , 11:40 AM
Okay there is a Steal PF & Fold % Would that be it?

If so, it's 57.33 from the SB
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04-02-2022 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
Okay there is a Steal PF & Fold % Would that be it?

If so, it's 57.33 from the SB
possible but thats very high
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04-02-2022 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
possible but thats very high
I'll get clarification from FreakDaddy and report back.

In the meantime, any other stats that you see could use some tweaking?
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04-02-2022 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
I typically use GTOWiz ranges. Would you recommend widening the hands I 3b with to hands not in those ranges, or just increase the frequency of the hands in the ranges?


Here are some stats by position

Wizard raises SB more, you can/should iso much more vs limpers( you can iso pretty close to range you would OR). I don't know what stake this is but you ppl usually dont defend BvB enough so you can OR even more then gto.
Cbet OOP is bit too high.
Maybe check if you 3b enough in late positions BvB and blinds vs BU.
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04-02-2022 , 11:54 AM
If they fold 57% vs SB steal you can or any two cards from SB.
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04-02-2022 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Wizard raises SB more, you can/should iso much more vs limpers( you can iso pretty close to range you would OR). I don't know what stake this is but you ppl usually dont defend BvB enough so you can OR even more then gto.
Cbet OOP is bit too high.
Maybe check if you 3b enough in late positions BvB and blinds vs BU.
Thanks. I definitely agree not always knowing when I should ISO except with the obvious hands.

I did look up population's limp/call % and it's at 64%.

Not sure if that's high or low.
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04-02-2022 , 12:04 PM
Population fold BB vs SB Steal is 48%
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04-02-2022 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Can defend more in BTN

Can fold a bit more OOP in the other positions.

Not a particularly large concern atm.
Ok cool, will take into consideration when studying the pre-flop stuff, especially regarding the BTN defending. Thank you.

Seeing as that's not a huge problem, I assume the best thing to do next is to focus on the other points that aner0 made? Unless you think there's anything else in particular?

Like I say, I know I'm doing ok at showing down with decent hands but I'm clearly leaking elsewhere. I know a downwards red line is normal if you're playing TAG but definitely not as steep as mine has been haha.
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04-02-2022 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Yip
Ok cool, will take into consideration when studying the pre-flop stuff, especially regarding the BTN defending. Thank you.

Seeing as that's not a huge problem, I assume the best thing to do next is to focus on the other points that aner0 made? Unless you think there's anything else in particular?

Like I say, I know I'm doing ok at showing down with decent hands but I'm clearly leaking elsewhere. I know a downwards red line is normal if you're playing TAG but definitely not as steep as mine has been haha.
What is WWSF, WTSD, WSD? You cut off the averages.

Post fold to bet flop/turn/river
Post fold to cbet flop/turn/river
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04-02-2022 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
What is WWSF, WTSD, WSD? You cut off the averages.

Post fold to bet flop/turn/river
Post fold to cbet flop/turn/river
WWSF, WTSD, WSD - Sorry thought I'd posted these, see below (unless these are the wrong versions?):


Post fold to bet flop/turn/river & Post fold to cbet flop/turn/river (same position order as top image, these are %):
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04-02-2022 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
Okay there is a Steal PF & Fold % Would that be it?

If so, it's 57.33 from the SB


I verified with FD that it's not the same, but Steal Success will be added to the next update.
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04-02-2022 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Yip
WWSF, WTSD, WSD - Sorry thought I'd posted these, see below (unless these are the wrong versions?):


Post fold to bet flop/turn/river & Post fold to cbet flop/turn/river (same position order as top image, these are %):
I want the overall value in the screenshot which should be at the bottom. It will be a weighted average.
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04-03-2022 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I want the overall value in the screenshot which should be at the bottom. It will be a weighted average.
Ah okay sorry, hopefully this is what you meant:





If this isn't what you meant then I blame being hungover haha.
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