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07-09-2010 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Furrrr
How is 20% WTSD high? What kind of poker are you playing?
It was 27%

Bukowski already said that
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07-09-2010 , 02:58 PM
That second link is the best. It will probably get you through 10NL.
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07-09-2010 , 03:50 PM
stop calling 3bets. It's insanely high.

You're not playing your position enough.

You're not picking the right boards to cbet.

Find someone decent to sweat you. I would but I'm really busy lately. Didn't even look through your stats tbh, only glanced and noticed 3.
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07-09-2010 , 09:48 PM
I want to manipulate cbet flop and turn stats of other players...So here are my questions?
Note:I play 10nl full 100bb

1. What's a good sample size in order to evaulate cbets stats?

2. What kind of %'s should i be floating? (considering the board texture and other variables are optimal)

3. I use fpdb tracker, so im limited in what stats i have on opponets. But what others stats could i be using to manipulate cbet stats? (I have %fold percentage on all streets, aggression factor, vpip, pfr, and aggression factor% for all streets)

4. What is considered a low and high cbet % for flop and turn? ranges would be nice
Thank you
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07-11-2010 , 02:24 AM
I'd say after 20-25 cbet opps, you should start to get a feel for how the guy is.

For a base comparison, two unpaired cards will make a pair about 1/3 of the time. So anything that's like 30-40% indicates the player plays fit or fold. 60% is the point where it starts to become crazy aggro monkey cbetting almost every flop. If they're betting 70%+, they're a good candidate to float.

Also, look at things like flop cbet vs turn cbet and flop cbet and flop cbet/fold stats. Some people one and done a lot. Those are the people you should float a lot.

Float flops that aren't likely to hit them strong, or that you can rep multiple things, and you don't have strong equity. If the guy cbet/folds a ton, and double barrels a lot, just keep floating tpgk+. Don't raise him on the flop, or donk into him on the turn if you're OOP. This is a great spot to call and let him keep bluffing. But if you have something like 2 overs, some backdoor draws, nothing to write home about, but it's a board where you can rep 2pair/combo draws/sets, like say 873ss, you can raise the cbet of a guy who cbet/folds a lot.

Look for a big difference between flop and turn cbet.
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07-11-2010 , 03:54 AM
Hey guys, I'm currently beating up to 10nl at ipoker but was wondering what your typical call 3bet% is? This is an area of my game I seem to have a lot of trouble with, I play roughly 25/20 but sometimes play a 22/18 game depending on table dynamics. Are there any good threads on this? I've looked at the anthology thread etc in the micro forums but haven't found anything decent. Thanks heaps for your time
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07-11-2010 , 04:14 AM
You play 25/20 at full ring?
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07-11-2010 , 05:53 AM
Terribly sorry, should read titles of forums before I post
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07-11-2010 , 06:59 PM
10nl rush
almost 20bi up in 8k hands

vp: 19.69
prf: 15.01
w$wsf: 48.87
wtsd: 23.56
w$sd: 63
afq: 51.94
3bet: 8.89
fold 3b: 65.59
att to steal: 34.09
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07-11-2010 , 11:14 PM
^ Looks fine but you might be running a little hot considering 63% W$SD with standard WtSD. I wouldn't change anything if it's working well.
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07-12-2010 , 03:52 AM
what would be a decent w$sd?

I feel like i'm being overly aggressive. I triple barrel a lot with air, but I feel like playing passive at rush is just asking to get rocked.

also are my stats a lil bit loose? I play a nit-type range UTG-MP but I play a very very wide range on the CO/BU.
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07-12-2010 , 04:36 AM
Well W$SD of 63% is obviously really decent but that's what I mean about potentially being on a heater. For most TAG/semi-LAG players that go to showdown a normal 21-23%, standard W$SD typically evens out around 52-55% over large samples.

But like I said, don't change anything. Take the 63% while it lasts.

There might be more of an issue if you were going to showdown only 17% of the time and winning 63%. In that case you'd probably be folding more winners than necessary since your requirements for getting to showdown would be too tight.

But as long as you're in the 21-23%-ish WTSD range you'll be fine playing a straightforward solid postflop game. This of course will even itself out based on solid postflop play. Don't try to make plays to adjust stats, just play well and they'll adjust themselves. If you get even more LAGgy postflop, you might find that W$SD sits in the 46-48% range and that's fine as well if you're style successfully takes away more pots before showdown.
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07-12-2010 , 07:41 AM
Below what figure could I classify a villain as passive and conversely above what figure could I classify him as aggressive?

Thanks

Snook
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07-12-2010 , 12:09 PM
I know this just barely breaks 10k but I've been antsy to get some advice. Mostly 2NL but also a very unsuccessful shot at 5NL. I think I need to tighten up a bit, and need to learn to shut down more when villain shows aggression. I also overvalue my hands on the river; I have made some truly awful river calls.

Any other important stats I am missing?




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07-13-2010 , 12:08 AM
I don't even know what to make of this. Last 20K hands weren't as bad as the first 30K I guess.

Running cold for a while though - cold deck, bad beats, etc.

Not sure how it straightens out at the end, but I guess it is a good sign?

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07-13-2010 , 04:18 AM
I'm Not doing so great at 5NL Rush

Basically it feels as though unknown villains are representing very strong ranges when I too have a Strong range. Putting me in tough spots w/overpairs+ OTT, at what seems like a ridicules frequency.


Also I'm quickly bleeding from the Blinds. Any other Noticeable leaks? How should I go about improving my game and fixing them?

Comments/ Suggestions are appreciated
Thanks

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07-14-2010 , 07:41 AM
hey
i started playing Nl2 last weak. i run over ev atm and i dont like my postflop game. It would be nice if someone could analyse my stats. Thanks.





kind regards

Jo
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07-14-2010 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jojojojo89
hey
i started playing Nl2 last weak. i run over ev atm and i dont like my postflop game. It would be nice if someone could analyse my stats. Thanks.





kind regards

Jo
You need to post more stats. Like positional with 3bet, steal etc.
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07-14-2010 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by HopyMSU
I don't even know what to make of this. Last 20K hands weren't as bad as the first 30K I guess.

Running cold for a while though - cold deck, bad beats, etc.

Not sure how it straightens out at the end, but I guess it is a good sign?

You guys need to post stats, you can't tell **** from a graph. Can see you are loosing but that's about it.
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07-14-2010 , 08:03 AM
is this enough or do you need more stats?



thanks
JO

Last edited by jojojojo89; 07-14-2010 at 08:30 AM.
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07-14-2010 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by hola taco
I know this just barely breaks 10k but I've been antsy to get some advice. Mostly 2NL but also a very unsuccessful shot at 5NL. I think I need to tighten up a bit, and need to learn to shut down more when villain shows aggression. I also overvalue my hands on the river; I have made some truly awful river calls.

Any other important stats I am missing?




People at 2NL and 5NL play pretty straight forward, they look at their own cards and play it from there. If someone c/r you they have it 99% of the time.

I think you need to cbet less and look for better spots (hard to get people to fold at these limits). Say to yourself "WHY am I cbetting this flop?", don't just cbet to cbet.
Fold to more cbets.
You have a really high steal, I would tighten up that and look at WHO you are stealing against. If it's a nit keep stealing, if it's a fish who calls pre and doesn't fold to cbet, I'd tighten up my steal range.
I would also tighten up my range in EP and MP1.

Don't go and do it all at once, take one thing and try it for a few sessions and see how it goes.
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07-14-2010 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jojojojo89
is this enough or do you need more stats?


thanks
JO
Really small sample size so this might not be totally accurate

You seem to take marginal hands to SD to often. Try and get away from those hands as early as you can.
Steal less in SB
Steal more in CO
Don't call to many 3bets OOP (no stat on that, but always good to say anyway)

Fold to 3bet and cbet stats would be nice

Edit: just saw the other stats..

Pick better spots to cbet flop and turn

Why are you c/r so much in EP, is it for value or as a bluff? Filter out those hands and check your WR.

Last edited by pele02; 07-14-2010 at 08:44 AM.
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07-15-2010 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bram90
I'm Not doing so great at 5NL Rush

Basically it feels as though unknown villains are representing very strong ranges when I too have a Strong range. Putting me in tough spots w/overpairs+ OTT, at what seems like a ridicules frequency.


Also I'm quickly bleeding from the Blinds. Any other Noticeable leaks? How should I go about improving my game and fixing them?

Comments/ Suggestions are appreciated
Thanks


anyone?
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07-16-2010 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bram90
I'm Not doing so great at 5NL Rush

Basically it feels as though unknown villains are representing very strong ranges when I too have a Strong range. Putting me in tough spots w/overpairs+ OTT, at what seems like a ridicules frequency.


Also I'm quickly bleeding from the Blinds. Any other Noticeable leaks? How should I go about improving my game and fixing them?

Comments/ Suggestions are appreciated
Thanks

Sample size is too small. People generally like to see at least 10K hands before they give you feedback.

Offhand, your VPIP seems super tight. Try opening up in middle and late position. I find that you can steal from the CO and BTN almost with impunity. Just fold if someone plays back at you.

Also, set your HUD to show you the percentage that players attempt to steal (and include the raw numbers). Suppose you are in the blinds and get raised by a player on the BTN with a VPIP of 15% but a steal rate of 50% (5/10 opportunities). 3bet that sucker and he will almost always fold.
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07-17-2010 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bram90
I'm Not doing so great at 5NL Rush

Basically it feels as though unknown villains are representing very strong ranges when I too have a Strong range. Putting me in tough spots w/overpairs+ OTT, at what seems like a ridicules frequency.


Also I'm quickly bleeding from the Blinds. Any other Noticeable leaks? How should I go about improving my game and fixing them?

Comments/ Suggestions are appreciated
Thanks

Also consider 3BPF people who'll fold it >87%ish
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