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04-21-2010 , 03:19 PM
thx for our reply I will start to go through this now.

the massage below I did start to write before I read your comment.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...n=&page=0&vc=1

this is a great threat eather.

what is a good SB and BB Steal Defend amount?

I do have +3.64bb/hand in SB and +0.68bb/hand in BB.

total I did lost in the blinds -0,36bb/hand.

VPIP% 22,5 PFR% 15,6 Steal% 29,7 SB
VPIP% 16,3 PFR% 9,2% BB

Last edited by Niranjana; 04-21-2010 at 03:40 PM.
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04-21-2010 , 04:34 PM
The winning was over after about 25k hands when it starts to go down I thought I did loose my skill or I never had any and all regs have enough stats on me and exploit it. They did not fold anything and that is cruel if you are used to bet, bet, bet.

NL50



Now I do stop crying!
It's time to improve down under NL50(NL20) and get rid of tilt.

Here there are my new stats before starting NL20:

overall position stats



3bet stats minus Premium Hands



3bet calling stats minus Premium Hands



Where the leaks might be, I will will try to find out later.
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04-21-2010 , 05:42 PM
If the sample size do not lie than...

Calling 3bet

I do have big leaks in calling 3bet - both premium and non premium hands(may someone can suggest a nice threat about that)

I 3bet

...I should give up my trash hands after a flop call especially OOP may with some exceptions.

Coldcalling in the Blinds


In the BB I do have -36BB/100Hands minus premiumhands

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04-21-2010 , 06:33 PM
It seems like I do feel myself committed to the pot after posting the blind. It seems like all cards I do play accept weel Ace's siuted an mid pp are playable for me, but the sample size is quite small. I did find a lot of errors in the game with medium- to big aces.
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04-22-2010 , 11:15 PM
Full ring stats only boys!
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04-23-2010 , 09:10 PM
I just finished my first 7,500 hands. I wanted to run them by y'all and see where I have been messing up.

This is from NL25




Last edited by DonCoryon; 04-23-2010 at 09:11 PM. Reason: Added limit info
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04-28-2010 , 06:03 PM
I see you won total of $10 over 7500 hands. Fail. Play tighter full ring. 24/19 is good stats for 6-max though. Good full ring stats should be 15/15.

play 22+ AK AQ and steal in late position with suited high card and you're good to go.
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04-28-2010 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinep
I see you won total of $10 over 7500 hands. Fail.
This really isn't necessary. The fact that he won > 0$ means he's better than like 90% of players at poker. This is a place to learn, not bash each other.
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04-28-2010 , 09:50 PM
I am no expert, but that looks entirely too wide open in CO/BTN.
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04-29-2010 , 06:28 AM
great post
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04-29-2010 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DonCoryon
I just finished my first 7,500 hands. I wanted to run them by y'all and see where I have been messing up.

This is from NL25



Don:

The main problem I see with your stats is that you are playing way too many hands out of the blinds. Cold call less from both blinds (which means have a stronger range to cold call) and complete way, way less from the small blind. In the small blind, complete hands like small pockets and hands that can flop a decent pair (but that are not good enough to raise) such as KT or A9, and fold all of the low suited connectors, suited one gappers, and offsuit connectors and one gappers that people think are getting good odds, but really are not.

I didn't see any other real problems that couldn't be explained by variance in a small sample.

edit to add: I see that AnAnonymousCoward suggsted your LP play was tooloose. I am inclined to agree with him to a certain extent. The problem is that your average win rate from the CO and button is pretty good, so it is not clear that you need to tighten up. If I were you I would filter: main filters, deselect all preflop actions facing player except unopened, then go to more filters and add PFR = True. Note your cut off and button win rates, then go back to more filters and add "saw flop = true." Note the cut off and button win rates. If they go down significantlly when you add saw flop = true, or if they are negative, then you will definitely want to tighten up your stealing range some.

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04-30-2010 , 03:03 PM
I deeply, deeply regret not reading this post until now. mpethy, you are so awesome for doing this!

My stats are from Poker Co-Pilot, so they may look a little silly. These my hands over the last sixth months when I started to suck a little less. Every time I look at my win-rate I feel horrible about myself, which has pushed me to amp up my work ethic.

Looks like I might need to play from the blinds less, hehe. It also seems that Im folding a huge % of the time to 3bs...is this a leak? I'm opening ~AQ+, 88+ from EP, and the majority of that range is horrible OOP.

I know my 3b is pretty low but it's been hovering around ~5% the last couple sessions.




Last edited by markdirt; 04-30-2010 at 03:07 PM. Reason: trying to post images + kill tha comma
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05-02-2010 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by markdirt
I deeply, deeply regret not reading this post until now. mpethy, you are so awesome for doing this!

My stats are from Poker Co-Pilot, so they may look a little silly. These my hands over the last sixth months when I started to suck a little less. Every time I look at my win-rate I feel horrible about myself, which has pushed me to amp up my work ethic.

Looks like I might need to play from the blinds less, hehe. It also seems that Im folding a huge % of the time to 3bs...is this a leak? I'm opening ~AQ+, 88+ from EP, and the majority of that range is horrible OOP.

I know my 3b is pretty low but it's been hovering around ~5% the last couple sessions.



Mark:

Yeah, those stats look weird. The first issue is that I am not sure whether it is reporting in big bets (2 big blinds) or big blinds. It looks like big blinds, so I will proceed from that assumption.

You have two main problems:

1. Your blind losses are too high. I saw that you have a relatively high cold calling percent (maybe 7%) so I think your problem is cold calling out of the blinds. You probably should be folding ragged suited aces, suited connectors and small pocket pairs to a steal when you are in the blinds. I'd be ok with you having a cold calling range versus steals of something like 99, TT, JJ, ATs, AJs, AQo, AQs, KQs, KQo and KJs. This has you playing everything else against a steal as basically a standard fold, but you can 3 bet people who look like they have a wide stealing range and a high fold to 3 bet.

2. If your win rates are reported in big blinds, you are not winning enough on the button. There are 3 possible leaks here:

a. calling too many 3 bets. I don't think this is a problem for you, as your overall fold to 3 bet looked on the high side.

b. cold calling with a range you are losing money with. suited connectors are the usual culprits here for new players. new players tend to know that they are supposed to call with these sometimes, but tend to play them passively, and, therefore, unprofitably. Ragged suited aces are about the same. People also have problems when they cold call hands such as KQ and KJ and then can't get away from it when dominated.

c. steals gone wrong. normally, what is happening if this is a leak is that a new player knows to steal a wide range, but then lacks the post flop skills to profit from his steals that get called. This is usually related to the hands you are c-betting. common leaks are doing things like betting the flop on ace high boards.

I don't know the filtering capabilities of poker copilot, so I can't really tell you how to look for these leaks. If it has filtering capabilities, just mess around trying to isolate the situations I have described to see if any of these are leaks for you.

also, I don't normally shill for either of the two major trackers (Hold 'Em Manager and Poker Tracker 3), but PT3 has a new mac version out that I have seen some players using in my coaching sessions. It looks bug free and fully functional.
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05-02-2010 , 06:11 AM
getting crushed in blinds, really hurting wr, need some help on w2d ty

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05-02-2010 , 06:22 PM
read my post above yours. the blind leaks he might have are the same blind leaks you might have.

In addition, your 3 betting stats are on the high side for a micro grinder, so you will want to look at your 3 betting from the blinds with non-premium hands. Filter: did 3 bet = true and from the hole cards tab deselect AA, KK, QQ and AK and look at your win rate. If it is close to break even or negative, basically what this is telling you is that your skill level is not up to all the 3 betting you are doing. Either you are 3 betting the wrong hands against the wrong people, or you are spewing post flop. It's actually possible to have both of those leaks.
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05-02-2010 , 06:55 PM
im playing 100, so i dont think im 3betting too much, but i probably am spewing in spots post flop. my redline and blue line have converged

edit: this is with 3b=true, AA AK AKs KK QQ deselected.


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05-02-2010 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hopeuntilwecant
im playing 100, so i dont think im 3betting too much, but i probably am spewing in spots post flop. my redline and blue line have converged

edit: this is with 3b=true, AA AK AKs KK QQ deselected.

First:

I wasn't suggesting that your 3 bet stat itself was too high. What I was suggesting was that a high 3 bet stat together with a high loss rate in the blinds usually means that the high loss rate is a result of a player making poor 3 betting decisions. This leak isn't a problem for people who 3 bet 2%; they are basically only 3 betting the best hands and spots and nearly always have a high win rate when 3 betting.

Obviously your screen shot tells us that your 3 betting from the small blind is a significant contributing factor to your high loss rate in the small blind.

However, your results are ambiguous as to whether this is a leak or just variance in a small sample, because you are getting killed in the mall blind but killing in the big blind.

There's no real reason for one to be positive and one to be negative other than variance. So you have to figure out whether the -300 in the SB is more representative of your skill or whether the +300 is, or whether the average is.

There's no short cut to this. You have to post hand histories, grind hand ranges in pokerstove, and ruthlessly evaluate whether you made good decisions or bad decisions when you picked the hands and the opponents to 3 bet.

So, although we can say that you have identified one of the reasons for your high loss rate in the small blinds, because of sample size issues, we can't actually say that you have found a leak.

And we have made no progress yet on the big blind. Clearly the big blind non-premium 3 betting is going fine, so we have to determine what are the other possible leaks.

One quick variance check is to reverse the 3 betting filter you ran earlier, and look at your win rate with the premium part of your 3 betting range. If it is low or negative, then basically you can write off a large part of your big blind losses to variance.

And you still need to run the cold call = true filter for the blinds to see how you are doing there. If 3 betting is not a leak in the BB, it is almost impossible for you to have the loss rate you have without losing a lot of money on cold calls.

There are some other spots to check, but cold calling is the most likely leak, and it is most likely the biggest leak.
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05-03-2010 , 12:45 PM
FullRing
Nl2
Small Sample
Multitable 20 table +


Graph 10k hand



Pay to much rake....

Is the redline is standard ?
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05-03-2010 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by alexhim
FullRing
Nl2
Small Sample
Multitable 20 table +


Graph 10k hand



Pay to much rake....

Is the redline is standard ?
Given your style, yes, the red line is standard.

You're probably losing a huge amount in the blinds, and you are missing a lot of value by playing so tight.

You have proven that you can play premium hands. It's now time to open up and start getting into more spots. double your range for the first three positions, and start opening an increasingly wide range of hands from MP2 back to the button. By the time you get to the button, you should be playing about 25% of your hands.

Look for spots to isolate limpers ahead of you by raising a wider range of hands than you would normally open. the limper will often call your raise, and you will be heads up, in position against a limp/calling bad player. This is one of the most profitable spots in poker. Most players have a higher win rate isolating limpers than they do with QQ. Phrased differently, isolating limpers is more profitable than having any starting hand other than AA or KK.

Try to steal the blinds more.

Now that you have built a roll (congratulations!) you need to use NL $2 to improve your game. Your goal at NL $2 should not be to maximize your win rate; it should be to improve your skills.
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05-03-2010 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Given your style, yes, the red line is standard.

You're probably losing a huge amount in the blinds, and you are missing a lot of value by playing so tight.

You have proven that you can play premium hands. It's now time to open up and start getting into more spots. double your range for the first three positions, and start opening an increasingly wide range of hands from MP2 back to the button. By the time you get to the button, you should be playing about 25% of your hands.

Look for spots to isolate limpers ahead of you by raising a wider range of hands than you would normally open. the limper will often call your raise, and you will be heads up, in position against a limp/calling bad player. This is one of the most profitable spots in poker. Most players have a higher win rate isolating limpers than they do with QQ. Phrased differently, isolating limpers is more profitable than having any starting hand other than AA or KK.

Try to steal the blinds more.

Now that you have built a roll (congratulations!) you need to use NL $2 to improve your game. Your goal at NL $2 should not be to maximize your win rate; it should be to improve your skills.
Wow, thank for this analys !

Should I move up to NL5 with 100 $ bankroll ! Will I pay less rake ?
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05-03-2010 , 02:12 PM
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Wow, thank for this analys !

Should I move up to NL5 with 100 $ bankroll ! Will I pay less rake ?
$100 is plenty to be playing NL $5. However, as you implement my suggestions. you'll probably spew off some money making mistakes. Better to do that at $2 than at $5, imo, plus, you will go to $5 with a less exploitable game.

TBH, I have no idea about rake. Just intuitively it seems likely that you will pay more rake, but that it will represent a smaller fraction of your winnings.
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05-03-2010 , 02:41 PM
Hi, I'm playing at NL5 and didn't examine my stats before. I've played ~10k hands and win ~50$ (maybe a few more since I also play in another computer with another BD). I use FPDB, It hasn't implemented positional stats yet (not sure at all, I must update to last version) but I think it's a great option for use a free tracker.

This are my general stats:



And I'm not sure if this graph means that I'm doing something bad:



I'm losing too many showdowns? Maybe calling too much at river?

Thx in advance
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05-03-2010 , 03:37 PM


Something strange is going on in mp3. Not much looser than EP1 or EP2, but WR is lower than anywhere except the blinds. Any suggestions on filters to run to figure this out?
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05-03-2010 , 05:13 PM
I've been playing mostly 0.10$ but there are also 5K hands in 0.25$, I've been working on my 3bet-ing and it's now closer to 5%. my attmp to steal is at 40%, and despite my slightly high CC It's still positive.
what do you think?


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05-03-2010 , 07:16 PM
Hi shimsh0n,
I'm not a pro at db analysis, but I can tell right off that you're cbetting way too many flops. It looks like your FlopCB was cut off slightly, but 93% is too high. I see you're a winning player, and you can get away with this more at the lower stakes, but be aware when you move up that people will start to adjust to you.
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