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07-07-2009 , 11:15 PM

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krimson

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Originally Posted by aggo

then I felt really bad for the nits who are seriously suggesting to just call here

my conclusion after a little more thinking: fistpump raise/call

What range do you think UTG is stacking off 240bb with?

Aside from Vithel, nobody is really qualifying their fistpump shove comments more then a typical ksight post. I'm not completely disagreeing with people who say shove as I've been a bit torn on this post but I still don't think this line reps a FH/quads and I have a hard time seeing Kc or worse stacking off 240bbs.

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07-07-2009 , 11:20 PM

#27

Bigheadarch1

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Originally Posted by krimson

Yes he can have a 6c here but it comprises such a small part of his range he will stack off with fh, and even some kc. I think that there are more combos that we beat that stack off than those that beat us namely ONE HAND.
Nothing else is needed other than a Ksight comment imo.

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07-07-2009 , 11:21 PM

#28

ThingDo

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Originally Posted by Bigheadarch1

Im saying that I hope you're joking. Easy raise. Dont play poker if you even consider folding this

At no point did I say I was considering folding. My post was about what my river action should be.

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07-07-2009 , 11:24 PM

#29

aggo

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Originally Posted by krimson

because OP failed to include reads, we're playing this hand in a vacuum. I'm not so sure why you're so quick to assume that boats/FHs never take this line, because there is nothing to suggest that.

Calling here is just ******ed.

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07-07-2009 , 11:25 PM

#30

ThingDo

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Results:

boiler373737: folds
stlweb19 said, "ill show"
oOTOUCHOo: calls $13
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stlweb19: shows [3h 3s] (four of a kind, Threes)
oOTOUCHOo: shows [Ac 5d] (a straight flush, Ace to Five)
oOTOUCHOo collected $50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***

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07-07-2009 , 11:26 PM

#31

Bigheadarch1

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yay

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07-07-2009 , 11:27 PM

#32

ZooBox

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when vil bets 1/3 pot into 4 others on turn his range is 99.9% 6c7c, should've folded turn and now its an easy easy c/f

edit: wow you called, not even close to getting 999-1 odds

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07-07-2009 , 11:30 PM

#33

globetrotter

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Kc is never calling a 3b here on the river, but it's not raising us in the first place either. Since we have the Ac, the only hands he can be raising with are the 6c and full houses.

The question is, what full houses is he going to play for another $100? Maybe 55, 33, 53. I mean, what is he really going to think we have when we are shoving the river this deep?

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07-07-2009 , 11:31 PM

#34

krimson

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Originally Posted by aggo

"never takes this line" is putting words in my mouth. I just said I don't think the line reps these hands.

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07-07-2009 , 11:33 PM

#35

VithelTone

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Originally Posted by VithelTone

Am i reading the HH hsitory right?

did you actually folded a str flush?

his range here is NOT only the 6c, lots of FH and high flushes

Hero folds, Villain shows 3 3

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Originally Posted by ThingDo

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07-07-2009 , 11:34 PM

#36

ThingDo

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Originally Posted by ZooBox

when vil bets 1/3 pot into 4 others on turn his range is 99.9% 6c7c, should've folded turn and now its an easy easy c/f

edit: wow you called, not even close to getting 999-1 odds

This is ridiculous. This post isn't about me thinking I'm beat and wondering if I should fold. The post is about making the best decision on the river.

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07-07-2009 , 11:34 PM

#37

aggo

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55, 44, 33, 54, 53 or 6cx

the nits have chosen.

Just open fold river iyam.

Last edited by aggo; 07-07-2009 at 11:35 PM. Reason: .

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07-07-2009 , 11:37 PM

#38

Brian J

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Originally Posted by subs

are people seriously suggesting fist pump raising and being serious? lmao... i probably sigh and call

lol I am starting to think you go from thread to thread look at the consensus opinion and then take the opposite

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07-08-2009 , 12:18 AM

#39

subs

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Originally Posted by Brian J

lol I am starting to think you go from thread to thread look at the consensus opinion and then take the opposite

yep... thats certainly what i do... please PM me the links to all these threads

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07-08-2009 , 01:51 AM

#40

leskovar

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Is this spot on the river hard for anyone else?

[ ] Yes
[X] No

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07-08-2009 , 01:48 PM

#41

nihil2501

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call AINEC

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07-08-2009 , 01:59 PM

#42

inforrtel

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wtf!
Thoughs having 22 or 44??

I was stacking off having a full, and obviouslly with second nuts!

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07-08-2009 , 02:21 PM

#43

cubase

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Grunch.

If this post isn't a level...

[x] Ship it (I mean the whole damn thing).
[x] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorics
[x] http://www.pokerstove.com/

Why ship it? Without actually doing the math, I'm willing to at least speculate that your EV vs his calling range when you ship it is much greater than trying to do some goofy 2.5x raise hoping he clicks it back so you can shove.

Just shove the whole thing in.

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