hi,

i was 3tabling villain which is a reg at 2/4 and 3/6. He is kinda tight pre but cbets (makes sence) a lot of flops.

He seems a bit weak postflop tho like not barreling enough turns etc.

In the heat of the match the following hand happen



[converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8449542

SB: $556.63 (139.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $748.25 (187.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K T
SB raises to $12, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($24) 8 2 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $17.25, SB raises to $56.06, Hero raises to $100, SB calls $43.94

Turn: ($224) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

River: ($224) K (2 players)
Hero bets $168, SB raises to $444.63 and is all-in, Hero ?

I think we had another hand going on at another table so i decided to lead that flop occasionally - don´t like it to much myself tho.

Villain snap raises me pretty quickly - at this point we had not donk betting dynamic going on at all.

I felt that gicven that most people see to auto raise with any2 here cause the gimme no credit to 3bet flop smallish - i thought i could get away with against this villain.

I don´t gave him to much credit for raising thin for value here - but raising as a bluff a lot. Once he flat i put him on 76, overpairs or maybe a (strong 8).

Turn:

I give up. Once he chk back i don´t think he is ever strong - i rxprect him to bet with really strong hands at least smallish. So looks like he has a 8x or 76 hand while i think he properbly bets 76 on turn more often while checks back an 8.

River: Bink ;-). My line is weird - doesn´t make sence so i bet to try to get a call by nearly any bluff catcher.

Villain tankend and shoved finally? What do you put him on? Do you ever consider calling here - cause you expect to see bluffs here often enouzgh?

thanks!

he showed u 67hh?

im folding, he can bluffcatch you with almost his entire flop calling range, so there's no need to raise as a bluff.

nice insight alexo obvious when looking at the hh but something that is sometimes forgotten in the 10 secs you have ingame after the initial shock, by me at least

i muck the flop to the raise, don't see this player raising super light and if he is why lead ?_?

and yeah now fold he has hearts

he should be bluffing like close to zero % in this spot

Your flop 3b is a little spewy. It really just looks like your attacking a dry board w/air...

Because of this the villain is going to peel and bluff catch you super wide. This gets a lot more heart combos to the river than just 67. And anything he bluff catches on the flop that isn't hh is going to just call to bluff catch the river. Only A-xhh,67,k-xhh, and maybe K-8 raise.

Anyone else think the flop 3-bet is stupid? It sure is but why not just c/c with king-high?

c/c seems way more +EV then donking off $100.

As for the river, bet small or c/c (c/f some of the time)

As played, fold.

I think c/c flop can put us in some tough spots. On this type of board our villain can bet a lot of turns. There are a lot of overcard turns/rivers that he can feel comfortable barreling with his whole range and he doesn't have to worry about us having much on that board. There are not a lot of cards he'll give up on and I don't feel comfortable planning a K-high call down...

I think I prefer a c/r or c/f, but because he is c-betting so wide here probably a c/r. If he flats I would probably c/f turn, but I think a lot of his flatting range will be marginal showdown hands that will check back the turn. That way even when he calls we get 2 free cards to hit a lot of the time.

i agree with fold, but u may be folding 100% of hands here

What hands do we put him on OTR?
He doesnt have KK/flopped set as he didnt bet turn.
A4 wouldnt raise flop. If it did , would bet turn.
OP stated villain prob cant value raise K8 here.

So its flush or air.
What combinations of hearts raise /call flop and then c/b turn?

I call.

this

my initial reaction was to call, but the more i think about it the more i think he probably just checked something strong on the turn with the reasoning that u almost never 3bet the flop and check the turn with a hand thats calling a bet. Or in hopes you somehow make a hand on the river or decide to bluff river. I think he's still shoving lots of value u hands that are not flushes since you literally cannot have a flush--you would 100% of the time bet the turn if u turned a flush draw. and as some1 else mentioned he can just bluff catch with a ton of **** too. if he did float ur flop 3b with total air he's just going to bet the turn.

folding

Good post

wanted to add one thing. zagor and i were talking and i think he added a good point. villain could have raised 8x (or possible worse) and decided he'd try to get to showdown once u 3bet the flop and checked turn. and then decided that ur bluffing frequency wouldnt be high enough to bluff catch on the river, and since your ranged is capped he might have opted to just turn it into a bluff. while this is plausible/possible we are kind of guessing about a few things and i dont think its enough to warrant a call.

very cool hand tiz

Great analysis, guys. Villain tanked? How long? Hm...nevermind... and shoved...i cawl don't see him doing it with A4 and not enough flushes, and hero's line, lol...he's FOS here alot, villain knows that, he's probably on A3, any eight, 66-77. Well, he could have broadway flushes also, but i'm not counting him on it so often either.

Donking this board vs the described opponent makes no sense. so he should give your donk range and donk/3bet range very little credit..

lol, not A4, A3dd/cc ofc for gut turned pair.

jw y u give up? u rep a narrow range but if u bet turn jam river u not think u get enough folds?

I would say he's rarely bluffing considering your betsize on the river. Weird hand lol

very good post

agree with it 100%