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09-18-2010 , 01:14 PM

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Ek0

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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

We are calling the 3bet in the OP, you where talking about when he calls the 4bet you suggested, but that didnt really take place, then you suggest donking into that 4bet pot on a ace high flop, which is impossible.

And in the 3bet pot we are not the preflop aggressor.

Wow... seriously. Just wow.

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09-18-2010 , 01:31 PM

#27

(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

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Originally Posted by Ek0

Wow... seriously. Just wow.

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.50 (this is a 3bet), 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75 (see? we call the 3bet)

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Originally Posted by Ek0

Donk the flop because if he calls a 4-bet, you are the aggressor and you have a made pair.

I will derp this to you one time, you cannot donk as the preflop aggressor. Its called a cbet. Donking is something you can only do AGAINST a preflop aggressor.

And in the actual hand we are not the preflop aggressor.

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09-18-2010 , 01:37 PM

#28

Ek0

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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.50 (this is a 3bet), 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75 (see? we call the 3bet)

I will derp this to you one time, you cannot donk as the preflop aggressor. Its called a cbet. Donking is something you can only do AGAINST a preflop aggressor.

And in the actual hand we are not the preflop aggressor.

Yes captain obvious, the hero called the 3-bet instead of 4-betting... where as I was talking about IF hero 4-bet.

Yes, you're right about donking definition, I meant "lead".

Good job.

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09-18-2010 , 01:37 PM

#29

Insta-4Bet

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Did anybody notice that they're 200bb deep here? It all looks solid, c/r turn is the way to go imo.

Hey op, I'm HelloSir from CP forums. You've been helping me over there.

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09-18-2010 , 01:38 PM

#30

andy9054

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stop saying 4bet pre when stacks are over 200bb it's ridiculous and by far the worst play

pre is fine, flop is fine now c/c turn and crai river

if he checks turn back 1/2 to 3/4bet nearly all rivers

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09-18-2010 , 01:39 PM

#31

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Originally Posted by Skaplun

4bet pre or donk flop.

200bb deep.

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09-18-2010 , 01:51 PM

#32

Skaplun

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disregard my uselessness

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09-18-2010 , 02:37 PM

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microgrinder101

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Wow lots of replies lol. FWIW I think 4 bet is terribad? Why would I turn TT into a bluff and fold out the hands I have good equity versus? Also my 4bet range here is probably 1/2 {QQ+/AK} -, 1/2 suited connectors, just based on how often I think he folds (probably like 65%.).

Anyways the rest of the hand (I lol'd at how fast his hand shot into the muck here, he definitely had nothing).

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
TURN ($12.49) 7

Hero checks, BTN checks

RIVER ($12.49) 7

Hero checks, BTN bets $6.40, Hero raises to $15.50, BTN folds

Hero shows T

Hero wins $24.03

So.....IDK lead turn is better maybe? OBV this was best for this particular circumstance.

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09-18-2010 , 02:57 PM

#34

Waayoo

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I don't think lead turn is better for reasons i already stated (we will hardly get 3streets of value against Ax or worse PP's so no need to bet turn. We should focus on getting extra money from his air )

But you have to lead this river! He could have checked back Ax or other PP's OTT that will almost always check the river behind. So bet like 65% of the pot OTR.

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09-18-2010 , 03:01 PM

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blank157

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I think a river craise is fine but you should definitely make it larger like pot sized. The sizing you used lets anybody know you are never bluffing and even if they call you win a really really trivial amount.

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09-18-2010 , 03:09 PM

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vikingkong

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Originally Posted by Ek0

Donk the flop because if he calls a 4-bet, you are the aggressor and you have a made pair.

I was talking about when OP calls the 3bet

10,10 is quite far ahead alot of villains range on this board.

this does not mean betting is the correct play

If villain plans to bet anyways, why would you ever pass the action to the villain so he can raise YOU instead of HERO giving chance for villain to fold?

Wtf? If he's betting anyway we should check to him because then we get $$$ from his air. But this point is moot because 4betting is bad imo

If the money is going to go in anyways you think, why would you not put it in first when given the option, and since you are the pre-flop aggressor.

Oh I see, I'm getting leveled, I'll stop clogging the thread up after this

Tbh other than raising bigger like blank said it looks well played to me OP.

Last edited by vikingkong; 09-18-2010 at 03:14 PM.

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09-18-2010 , 04:08 PM

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microgrinder101

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Originally Posted by Waayoo

Won't his river have more air in it than these hands? He bets turn sometimes with Ax, after checking turn he may bet Ax again on river. A lot of PPs check flop back I think, to me there was more air in his range than things he calls a donk bet with, especially since the T almost always didn't hit him... I agree with the river mis-sizing, I think I was trying to make it between 3/4 pot and a PSB and just ****ed up on maths.

Edit: Hey "Insta-4bet" ya forums over there are pretty useless for advice haha. Well good advice anyways

Last edited by microgrinder101; 09-18-2010 at 04:23 PM.

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