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06-12-2010 , 06:03 PM
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Villain is a 20/16 over 500 hands. I know he is never ever bluffing on the river.
Do i have to pay off here because he could have 22?


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SB: $427.40
BB: $471.50
Hero (UTG): $400.00
MP: $570.00
CO: $766.80
BTN: $981.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG with 3 3
Hero raises to $16, MP calls $16, 4 folds

Flop: ($38.00) 2 7 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $27, MP calls $27

Turn: ($92.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $67, MP calls $67

River: ($226.00) J (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $175, MP raises to $460 all in, Hero calls $115 all in
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06-12-2010 , 06:08 PM
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You have to pay it off because it's only $115 to call but I mean... you are surely crushed... by JJ or a flush (AxHH KQhh prolly don't fold the flop).
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06-12-2010 , 06:19 PM
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I don't see how we have to pay it off if villain is never ever bluffing..
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06-12-2010 , 07:05 PM
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Go ahead and fold then and try to enjoy the rest of the session.
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06-12-2010 , 07:46 PM
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Go ahead and fold then and try to enjoy the rest of the session.
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06-12-2010 , 07:48 PM
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Go ahead and fold then and try to enjoy the rest of the session.
What is that supposed to mean
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06-12-2010 , 08:46 PM
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How much are you going to tilt when you find out that he is a moron 10 hands later after you folded a set getting 8:1 or whatever?
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06-12-2010 , 08:48 PM
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How much are you going to tilt when you find out that he is a moron 10 hands later after you folded a set getting 8:1 or whatever?
"Villain is a 20/16 over 500 hands. I know he is never ever bluffing on the river."

Oh and if you believe finding out villain is a moron is going to make you tilt, then go ahead and call, your loss, if it can keep you from losing money later on.... how much are you going to tilt though when you call knowing you're beat 100%
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06-12-2010 , 09:12 PM
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I'm gonna tilt a lil bit but when I look back at the hand and my river bet sizing I'm gonna asplode!
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06-12-2010 , 09:31 PM
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no i cant fold...
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06-12-2010 , 09:33 PM
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I call, he could even have aces *shrugs*
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06-13-2010 , 06:58 AM
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For the record:
i called and villain showed up with 66.
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06-13-2010 , 12:01 PM
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I think that you have to pay it off because if he plays 66 this way after turning a set, then he will play 22 the exact same way.
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06-13-2010 , 12:05 PM
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closish imo, make a gutfeel decision.
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06-13-2010 , 01:14 PM
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i dont know about you guys, but morons on my table make me pretty happy/untilted.
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06-13-2010 , 06:23 PM
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I call, he could even have aces *shrugs*
dude no offence but please stop posting strat advice in msnl, every bit of advice i have seen you give has just been so off the mark.
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06-13-2010 , 06:28 PM
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Why can't you see someone playing AA like this? Perfectly fine like vs UTG
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06-13-2010 , 06:53 PM
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Why can't you see someone playing AA like this? completely terrible line vs UTG
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06-13-2010 , 07:41 PM
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dude no offence but please stop posting strat advice in msnl, every bit of advice i have seen you give has just been so off the mark.
how would you play it, oldjude?
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06-13-2010 , 09:27 PM
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hate life/call. mostly because I'll hate life even more if I fold here
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06-13-2010 , 09:33 PM
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Can you expand on my slow playing AA on the flop/turn is terrible. thanks.
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06-13-2010 , 10:37 PM
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hate life/call. mostly because I'll hate life even more if I fold here
WHY, poker is about making the right decision, so if you're 100% certain the right decision here is to fold, that you never beat villain in this particular spot on the river, why would it make you feel bad, you made the right decision, and you saved 28bb...
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06-13-2010 , 10:40 PM
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Can you expand on my slow playing AA on the flop/turn is terrible. thanks.
at this point it isn't slowplaying, It's just pot control, calling pre flop, flop and turn with AA is viable but you need some kind of dynamic going on at the table imo, someone who likes to squeeze a lot behind...

now nobody would ever check raise river with AA for value on this board, it's beyond ******ed to think someone would call with worse, might happen in a HU match with some metagame going on, but not on a 6max 2/4 table vs a pretty straightforward solid villain
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06-13-2010 , 11:02 PM
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But MP with "AA" has position in this hand. No one is talking about check raising the river.

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at this point it isn't slowplaying, It's just pot control, calling pre flop, flop and turn with AA is viable but you need some kind of dynamic going on at the table imo, someone who likes to squeeze a lot behind...
All I need to know is that villain can 2 & 3 barrel "scary" turns/rivers when he is UTG. If we can fool him into thinking that we have a weak hand (78s,88-JJ) I can def see him 3 barreling us with almost his entire UTG range after he bets the turn.
This river was a pretty good example of that. If he ever bets AQ/AK on the turn, chances are that he is betting the J river. If he has QQ/KK we get his money anyway.
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06-13-2010 , 11:13 PM
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sorry i wrote check raised, i meant raise, but then again AA is still only a bluff catcher on the river, just like you had 88 here, except maybe vs QQ/KK which you would stack anyway from 3betting pf, and then again I can see many player choking on the value bet with QQ/KK there...

anyway I guess you wanted to confirm flat calling AA pre flop there is viable, it is I guess if you expect someone behind to squeeze a decent amount of the time, but old jude quoted the guy saying villain can show up with AA on the river there which is ******ed
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