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02-20-2010 , 11:25 AM
Assuming you know nothing about the person:

a) what do you think hero's most likely hand is and
b) what is the worst hand you would be calling with in villain's shoes?


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed)

Button ($47.30)
SB ($42.75)
BB ($90.70)
UTG ($132.75)
MP ($103.80)
Hero (CO) ($132.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with XX
UTG bets $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, UTG calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75) 8, 5, 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6.50, UTG raises to $17.25, Hero calls $10.75

Turn: ($47.25) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $22.25, UTG calls $22.25

River: ($91.75) 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $86.55 (All-In)
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02-20-2010 , 11:53 AM
well not reallly answering ur question but i think most of villains range is TT-QQ maybe 99 i think his range is capped and he has to fold ~100% of his range, as u r a 2+2er i assume u know this so ur range is prob not far away from ur entire 3 betting range for that pf spot
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02-20-2010 , 12:25 PM
hero = sets or TT+
villain = im never c/r the flop and going on c/c mode wtf is that
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02-20-2010 , 12:36 PM
Since Hero called the flop check/raise, and he's an unknown, we can suspect he's going to have a hand that has showdown value a large portion of the time. The question here is how often would he 3bet this flop? Is there any part of his range that he would? Well, if he would at all, very likely it would be KK+. A lot of the time however, he may be calling with the intention of getting it in on the turn against villain's bluffing range if he decides to fire another barrel. Another question would be, would he call this check raise with a hand like AK/AQ? I think he would a non-0 percentage of the time.

Hero bets half pot on the turn, and then shoves the river. Betsizing seems kind of awkward imo. If he had a hand like QQ+, I think he'd be betting more on the turn to make a river shove an easier call for Villain. At least, he should. Any bet that he makes here with a hand that wants to get to showdown commits him. The smaller bet size benefits only his floats here. 99-TT should be checking this turn back to keep the pot small, JJ-AA should be betting bigger to make a river shove easier, that leaves Hero with his floating hands like AK/AQ and random crap. What does he do with that? Well, he could bet pretty small to fold out all of the bluffs in villain's range, easily folding to a shove. It also leaves a pretty nicely sized river potsize for a final bluff/valuebet if he should happen to hit his outs, or decide he wants to fire again.

The river comes, Hero shoves, knowing that a ton of villain's range is going to be weak here, and never above JJ. This cannot possibly be a valuebet imo, so I'd probably call here with 99.

Though, in the middle of a hand, I'd probably be like, "Huh. That's odd. Eh, I don't know him at all, I think I'll fold and take a note."
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02-20-2010 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Boolean
Since Hero called the flop check/raise, and he's an unknown, we can suspect he's going to have a hand that has showdown value a large portion of the time. The question here is how often would he 3bet this flop? Is there any part of his range that he would? Well, if he would at all, very likely it would be KK+. A lot of the time however, he may be calling with the intention of getting it in on the turn against villain's bluffing range if he decides to fire another barrel. Another question would be, would he call this check raise with a hand like AK/AQ? I think he would a non-0 percentage of the time.

Hero bets half pot on the turn, and then shoves the river. Betsizing seems kind of awkward imo. If he had a hand like QQ+, I think he'd be betting more on the turn to make a river shove an easier call for Villain. At least, he should. Any bet that he makes here with a hand that wants to get to showdown commits him. The smaller bet size benefits only his floats here. 99-TT should be checking this turn back to keep the pot small, JJ-AA should be betting bigger to make a river shove easier, that leaves Hero with his floating hands like AK/AQ and random crap. What does he do with that? Well, he could bet pretty small to fold out all of the bluffs in villain's range, easily folding to a shove. It also leaves a pretty nicely sized river potsize for a final bluff/valuebet if he should happen to hit his outs, or decide he wants to fire again.

The river comes, Hero shoves, knowing that a ton of villain's range is going to be weak here, and never above JJ. This cannot possibly be a valuebet imo, so I'd probably call here with 99.

Though, in the middle of a hand, I'd probably be like, "Huh. That's odd. Eh, I don't know him at all, I think I'll fold and take a note."
nice reply
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