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01-07-2010 , 05:25 AM
Im pretty sure this is fairly standard, but just want to make sure. Both villains here are droolers, I believe hand 1 is a 70/10 and hand 2 is 45/10


Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $500.00
BTN: $408.00
Hero (SB): $402.00
BB: $635.50
UTG: $1192.50
MP: $463.80

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with A K
UTG calls $4, 2 folds, BTN raises to $18, Hero raises to $60, 1 fold, UTG calls $56, 1 fold

Flop: ($142.00) 9 2 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $82, UTG calls $82

Turn: ($306.00) J (2 players)
Hero bets $260 all in




Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($351.40)
Hero (SB) ($442.93)
BB ($806.20)
UTG ($219.03)
MP ($593.50)
CO ($422)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q
2 folds, CO bets $12, Button calls $12, Hero raises to $52, 2 folds, Button calls $40

Flop: ($120) 3, 2, J (2 players)
Hero bets $68, Button calls $68

Turn: ($256) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $256
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01-07-2010 , 05:42 AM
I like hand 1 shove way more than I like hand 2
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01-07-2010 , 06:16 AM
both seem pretty terrible, i mean std donks dont fold better and call most pairs; and if they are passive (which i assume) you can just check down and be good often
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01-07-2010 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rberg
both seem pretty terrible, i mean std donks dont fold better and call most pairs; and if they are passive (which i assume) you can just check down and be good often
not sure people float flops in 3bet pots with too many weaker aces?
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01-07-2010 , 06:22 AM
Shoving overs. Yuck
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01-07-2010 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mused01
I like hand 1 shove way more than I like hand 2
this
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01-07-2010 , 06:33 AM
I check call flop in hand 1 a lot, but it depends on your style. As played looks ok to shove turn but its +EV is very dependent on how you play.

Hand 2 I don't like the flop bet a whole lot since you have to 2nd barrel but only like a 1/5 of the deck is decent for that.
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01-07-2010 , 06:33 AM
1 for many reasons prob isn't bad...2 prob is
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01-07-2010 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ArturiusX
I check call flop in hand 1 a lot, but it depends on your style. As played looks ok to shove turn but its +EV is very dependent on how you play.

Hand 2 I don't like the flop bet a whole lot since you have to 2nd barrel but only like a 1/5 of the deck is decent for that.
2ond c/f the best flop?
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01-07-2010 , 07:03 AM
these are the type of spots where you need some reads, but i'd start with a check in both hands and go from there.
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01-07-2010 , 07:58 AM
Fish don't like to fold. Hand 1 has a better chance of working than hand 2 though, but agree with Arturius that I prefer c/c. Often they'll bet worse on one street and then check it down.
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01-07-2010 , 09:41 AM
I played an almost indenticle hand up to the flop, same cards and positions about 2 days ago. Difference was i got raised on the flop when i cBet and then shoved, figuring i probably had at least 6 outs, villain folded in that case but in general anyone play similar when raised on just fold. At the time i figured i had little fold Equity but given the outcome i obviously had some. Do you think some weaker players fold TT and JJ when faced with that action??
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01-07-2010 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ITSOVER9000
these are the type of spots where you need some reads, but i'd start with a check in both hands and go from there.
shouldnt we be cbetting a ton vs these players? in these examples we are easily just betting the best hand.
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