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Should i have a raising range on this turn? Should i have a raising range on this turn?

01-29-2019 , 06:06 AM
Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $2.32 (116 bb)
CO: $4.29 (215 bb)
BU: $2.28 (114 bb)
SB: $2.02 (101 bb)
BB (Hero): $2.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 3 3
2 players fold, BTN raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) 3 5 J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.09, Hero calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.31) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.22, Hero raises to $0.50, BU folds

Best line? XR turn, or call turn lead river, or call turn XR river?

V is H:920 31/20 Cbet 60/50/50 WTS 35
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01-29-2019 , 06:13 AM
ott, no. otf, yes.
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01-29-2019 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
ott, no. otf, yes.
Why flop? There is very little raising combos
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01-29-2019 , 06:49 AM
I would X/C both flop and turn, only hands you're getting value from by x/r on these streets are overpairs or AJ/KJ/QJ type of hands. Would rather slowplay in this case and let villain hang him self more with overcards and x/r river hoping he either made a decent hand by that time or having him call of any J
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01-29-2019 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
ott, no. otf, yes.


+1
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01-29-2019 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by hamhamt
Why flop?
Because your hand is good
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01-29-2019 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
Because your hand is good
How big would you size the raise. And how big are you leading turn?
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01-29-2019 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by hamhamt
Why flop? There is very little raising combos


Because of ranges.

So he will be cbetting this board very often. With all his pairs, all his gut shots, all his overs, all his backdoor flush draws.
Since he is betting so damn wide it’s good to create a c/r range. This range we can use: AJ, 55, 33, for value. And we can use some 67, A2, with back door flush draws for bluffs. Maybe A3s if we need more combos

Ok sometimes we can call on the flop but I prefer a raise here.

Now on the turn it’s a jack. And non of his air bears picked up equity u see? Like if he had a back door flush draw or a back door straight draw he didn’t turn anything so he will likely just check it back.
This means we probably don’t want a c/r range here for one.
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01-29-2019 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
Because of ranges.

So he will be cbetting this board very often. With all his pairs, all his gut shots, all his overs, all his backdoor flush draws.
Since he is betting so damn wide it’s good to create a c/r range. This range we can use: AJ, 55, 33, for value. And we can use some 67, A2, with back door flush draws for bluffs. Maybe A3s if we need more combos

Ok sometimes we can call on the flop but I prefer a raise here.

Now on the turn it’s a jack. And non of his air bears picked up equity u see? Like if he had a back door flush draw or a back door straight draw he didn’t turn anything so he will likely just check it back.
This means we probably don’t want a c/r range here for one.
I guess from what I studied, since my BB calling range is so wide, I dont have enough raising combos to balance out my calling range so it leaves my raising range obvious against an observant opponent.

On the turn, I raise bc I feel like this opponent is never folding a J.
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01-29-2019 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hamhamt
I guess from what I studied, since my BB calling range is so wide, I dont have enough raising combos to balance out my calling range so it leaves my raising range obvious against an observant opponent.



On the turn, I raise bc I feel like this opponent is never folding a J.


How does it leave your raising range obvious if u use sets, top pair, and gut shots?
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01-29-2019 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
How does it leave your raising range obvious if u use sets, top pair, and gut shots?
I read a lot raising top pair is typically a bad play. And I feel like if I posted this hand where I raid A4s I would get roasted.
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01-29-2019 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hamhamt
I read a lot raising top pair is typically a bad play. And I feel like if I posted this hand where I raid A4s I would get roasted.


Yeah fair enough. I usually wouldn’t recommend c/r with AJ as a default but as u get more history with a player it becomes a better idea so that u can’t get “hero called” by JT then they read u for super polarized in these spots. But yeah at .01/.02 u prob don’t need to use the AJ but it’s really not that bad imo.

As per c/r A4s I think it’s a nice play who disagrees???
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01-29-2019 , 12:40 PM
I agree with raising this hand OTF, but why not OTT? Seems like we want to build a pot to stack Jx

Only reason I can think of not wanting to raise OTT is because we raise everything good OTF, which doesn't seem ideal

Last edited by JohnRusty; 01-29-2019 at 12:46 PM.
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01-29-2019 , 01:15 PM
I think another reason I read is bad to raise on dry boards is that if I always raise my sets then when I call I never have a strong hand.

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01-29-2019 , 01:22 PM
if you call the flop, and it's fine, you have to call the turn
and let him bluff (x/shove the river)
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01-29-2019 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ardeiv
if you call the flop, and it's fine, you have to call the turn
and let him bluff (x/shove the river)
So since we're getting both sides of the argument what would you think would get more value, XR flop or XC 3 streets? Of course it depends against the player type, but I feel me personally if I got XR on this board with Jx I am folding at a high % on the flop, and the times I don't I am folding to continued aggression on the turn. Compared to myself value owning myself for 3 streets and folding river.
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01-29-2019 , 08:56 PM
I think I rather x/c flop/turn and x/shove river on this board because I don't think villain has enough of a continuing range vs a flop raise unless you know he's a whale.

x/r turn doesn't make sense to me - Jx is better for his range and vs that turn sizing I think he's fairly likely to fire most rivers as well.
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