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02-03-2011 , 03:31 PM

Paranoiide

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Hero (BB): $101.00
BTN/SB: $51.35

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K

BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BTN/SB calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.00) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, BTN/SB calls $6.50

Turn: ($23.00) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

River: ($23.00) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $18.50, Hero ????

- fold to cbet is 18%
- fold to turnbet is 0%

Is it better to check behind my showdownvalue hands against someone who almost never folds to cbets? And do we still cbet with air against this players?

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02-03-2011 , 03:41 PM

BreakYaNeck

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just fold river without better reads. C betting flop is fine though

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02-03-2011 , 03:43 PM

Paranoiide

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Hmm but alot of draws have missed on the river?

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02-03-2011 , 03:46 PM

BreakYaNeck

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what reads do you have on villain? you need specific reads on villain to call here. he could have A high here and thinking hes turning his hand into a bluff but A high still beats u

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02-03-2011 , 03:52 PM

PaperWalls

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18.50

Im folding.

If he had bet like 12-16.00 id call like 40% of the time.

But lol, when u post hes stats, give us a note on how many hands you have on him?

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02-03-2011 , 04:04 PM

Paranoiide

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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck

what reads do you have on villain? you need specific reads on villain to call here. he could have A high here and thinking hes turning his hand into a bluff but A high still beats u

He is not a player who thinks like that. He doesnt like fold his hands, and is sometimes bluffy.

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Originally Posted by PaperWalls

18.50

Im folding.

If he had bet like 12-16.00 id call like 40% of the time.

But lol, when u post hes stats, give us a note on how many hands you have on him?

We played about 80 hands.

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02-03-2011 , 04:06 PM

BreakYaNeck

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everything you just said validated my statement he could have A high. Fish call 3 bets with A high and call flops with it too sometimes. After he sees you check turn and river he thinks "well damn i dont have a pair im just gonna bet and hope he folds." This hand is a fold and I dont even think its that close

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02-03-2011 , 04:07 PM

Noppey

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Easy fold, he might even bluff here with Ax, who knows.

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02-03-2011 , 04:07 PM

PaperWalls

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I must disagree on that one BYN, in my experience, fish will CC this river with an A, like almost always.

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02-03-2011 , 04:11 PM

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BreakYaNeck

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Originally Posted by PaperWalls

I must disagree on that one BYN, in my experience, fish will CC this river with an A, like almost always.

Yeah for sure sometimes. My point is is that we arent good here often. You can substitute A high with like 33 44 55 66 and my point is that a fish could just be betting with a hand that beats us just to be betting and no real reason

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02-03-2011 , 04:44 PM

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Paranoiide

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I mostly check behind hands that has showdownvalue against this players who dont fold to cbets. Any thought about that?

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02-03-2011 , 04:46 PM

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PaperWalls

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BDFD
BDSTRD
2 OVERS
Fold Equity.

We cb this for value (Not sure what other word i could use)

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02-03-2011 , 05:51 PM

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chinz

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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck

just fold river without better reads. C betting flop is fine though

If villain isn't folding a lot to cbets I'm really tempted to call this river unless I have some other reads. I'm not expecting random to valuebet A high here but all gutshots and non-nut FDs are bluffing this river pretty much always. We need to win 31% of the time and assuming he is calling with all the gutters and bluffing the river with decent frequency I'm pretty sure we are good one third of the time.... Also it's good to keep 'em honest.

I really don't mind folding, but I think I'm calling here rly often early in the match.

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02-03-2011 , 06:02 PM

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WhateverSon

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gangsta call this joint
4real... swagzilla

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02-03-2011 , 06:12 PM

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entrncdrnr

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If he had a draw he would bet the turn. Therefore fold river or ship

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02-03-2011 , 06:13 PM

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BreakYaNeck

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Originally Posted by chinz

yeah maybe. Im pretty sure the fold to c bet stats is not that relelvant since we need his fold to cbet in 3 bet pots. people play 3 bet pots and SRP way differently so that makes a difference imo

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02-03-2011 , 06:14 PM

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canoodles

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I think A-high is the only hand he can't have here.

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02-04-2011 , 12:13 AM

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muttiah

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snap call

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02-04-2011 , 12:14 AM

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muttiah

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actually shove might be better

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02-04-2011 , 11:43 AM

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Kardnel

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I don't like a call here. He really will have A high a bunch, IMO. If this was higher limits I'd agree that he doesn't have A high often at all... but at 50 I think the guy decides to call flop without really thinking why, sees no pair on the river and figures he should make a go of a bluff.

I agree he is FOS a ton - he'd have bet a 7 on the turn and his big river sizing (that isn't a pot bet) just screams weakness to me. A shove is just better.

Also, how can you ask for advice on such a thin spot but not even give us information such as his preflop VPIP in that spot?

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02-05-2011 , 11:47 AM

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TheHeart

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Defo call

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