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11-05-2009 , 11:40 AM

PokerStorm

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SB: $63.02
BB: $11.50
Hero (UTG): $50.75
MP: $46.81
CO: $15.98

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with T

Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, SB raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($10.50) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $6.00, Hero raises to $17, SB raises to $28, Hero raises ?

Villain is 18/12/2.1. Well, what's his range and what's our line?

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11-05-2009 , 11:57 AM

wishiewish

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KK.

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11-05-2009 , 12:00 PM

GoooN

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Ship it. We don't fold sets, well on a 4flush straight board maybe, but that's not the case.

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11-05-2009 , 12:04 PM

ugotbicked

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KK seems most likely unfortunately, although I could see him playing AhKh this way as well, maybe even some tricky AA. I'm definitely getting it in on this turn, but expecting to see KK a good bit of the time.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.132% 66.48% 00.00% 6594032 0.00 { TdTs }
Hand 1: 33.868% 34.05% 00.00% 3377116 0.00 { AA, KcKd, KcKh, KdKh, AhKh }

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11-05-2009 , 12:13 PM

NameOnTheCake

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bet the flop. as played ship the turn and cry when you inevitably lose

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11-05-2009 , 12:14 PM

borges

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I bet the flop here always. You are not going to like it when more more hearts fall on turn and river.

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11-05-2009 , 12:15 PM

potpotshove

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is this actually KK?

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11-05-2009 , 12:17 PM

kidacao

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i see a lot of AK here too.

also, is that preflop call profitable? i dont like it

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11-05-2009 , 12:21 PM

ugotbicked

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Originally Posted by potpotshove

is this actually KK?

Why isn't that likely?

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11-05-2009 , 12:26 PM

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NameOnTheCake

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Originally Posted by kidacao

i see a lot of AK here too.

also, is that preflop call profitable? i dont like it

i don't like folding TT preflop imo

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11-05-2009 , 12:28 PM

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ugotbicked

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Originally Posted by NameOnTheCake

i don't like folding TT preflop imo

So you are set-mining...? You think TT is doing ok against his range for 3betting an UTG open?

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11-05-2009 , 12:29 PM

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kidacao

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Originally Posted by NameOnTheCake

i don't like folding TT preflop imo

thats like "i call because i like my cards" lvl 1 of thinking

what about his range and stuff

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11-05-2009 , 12:29 PM

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potpotshove

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Originally Posted by ugotbicked

Why isn't that likely?

it is likely, do you think AK is likely/equally likely? do you fold?

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11-05-2009 , 12:29 PM

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NameOnTheCake

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Originally Posted by ugotbicked

So you are set-mining...? You think TT is doing ok against his range for 3betting an UTG open?

it's one of those spots where you're set mining with a stong hand that will win at showdown sometimes. He's putting 10% of his stack in preflop, which I think is fine in this situation

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11-05-2009 , 12:31 PM

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MikeGotNuts

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I think there's actually a bigger chance that villain is ******ed then flopping a set of kings

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11-05-2009 , 12:34 PM

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ugotbicked

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Originally Posted by NameOnTheCake

it's one of those spots where you're set mining with a stong hand that will win at showdown sometimes. He's putting 10% of his stack in preflop, which I think is fine in this situation

Yeah I mean I probably play it the same, calling all non-A/K flops I assume then too right?

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11-05-2009 , 12:47 PM

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NameOnTheCake

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Originally Posted by ugotbicked

Yeah I mean I probably play it the same, calling all non-A/K flops I assume then too right?

yeah it's not an easy hand to play or anything but we have to play some pokee imo

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11-05-2009 , 12:51 PM

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Spraggy

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How is this even a question? Do you really think that there is any other option to shove the turn?

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11-05-2009 , 12:52 PM

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kidacao

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Originally Posted by Spraggy

How is this even a question? Do you really think that there is any other option to shove the turn?

i would like to read your opinion on the preflop play of this hand.

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11-05-2009 , 01:10 PM

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VithelTone

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Originally Posted by wishiewish

KK.

This.

Fold, he would never do this without KK

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11-05-2009 , 01:17 PM

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TuckFard

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please let this thread be a level...

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11-05-2009 , 01:19 PM

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VithelTone

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Originally Posted by TuckFard

please let this thread be a level...

Its not, OP is asking a legit question.

I would fold here 90% of the time unless i have a sick read he can do this with worse than KK, and i guess most of the winning players fold this spot too.

This line is KK too often to make a profitable stackoff

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11-05-2009 , 01:24 PM

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TuckFard

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this could be KQ, AK and JQ of hearts that he tried to checkraise on the flop, set of 3's and even sevens are in his range, **** he could have KT> i dont mind the call preflop because you have position and ppl 3bet a little to liberal in the SB, even the nitty ones, and you can setmine in case he does have a big pair, we obv dont blindly stack of on a low board becuz he's a nit, so its ez pretty to play. As played I realy hate checking the flop behind, don't you cbet in this spot like 90% of the time, and isnt this one of those boards where no one believes you? Why not do it if you have a set?

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11-05-2009 , 01:26 PM

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TuckFard

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little correction, thought hero was on the button, still dont mind the call since villain is a nit that propably shoves with an overpair..

Still think its a level though