I read there recently that it's ok to set mine say 22-99 in position in a 3 bet pot once we are both 170bb deep ?

I open say 22-99 and get 3 bet out of position just Fold .
I open say 22-99 and 3 bet I am in position and call is this correct ? Or should I be folding ? For this example we are both 100bb deep .should I be folding in position to a reg player to a 3bet 100bb deep ? What's the best play in general ?

Let's do an EV calculation. This is a rough estimate and you can play around with the numbers.

You either flop a set or you don't:
1) You flop a set 12% (11.8) of the time and win 80 % of opponents stack (sometimes they won't get it in). So you win [ (.8) * x bb ] - where x is stack size in bb

2) You miss the other 88% of flops and lose 20 big blinds. So you lose [ -20 bb ]

now calculate EV and solve for x, the stack size where this play becomes breakeven.

.12 * .8 * x = + .096x bb
.88 * -20 = -17.6 bb

0 = .096x - 17.6
x = 183.3 repeating

So anytime stacks are greater than 183 bb you could profitably set mine a 3 bet pot. Again this is an estimate and you can play around with the numbers.

You also need to be sure you get paid off when you hit your set.

Just curious but does the chance that villian will check fold the flop factor in at all?

great post thanks for replying so we need to be roughly 180BB roughly to set mine in position .

If I get raised and there a 3rd player in the pot calls the 3bet how deep do we have to be to call or if its 3 way pot am i priced to call if i am 100bb deep? example utg opens i call with 66 in CO then the BigBlind 3bets to say 10bb UTG call its back to me can i call with a 100bb or does the 183bb rule still apply

Your calculations ignore when we get over setted which is especially important the deeper we are

No, because your opponent will check/call and check/raise a decent portion of the time.

You don't lose 20bb when you call a 3b and fold otf. You usually lose something like 9bb in total, and since you'd have invested 3bb already, it's only actually 6bb. Other than that, villain likely isn't stacking off 80% of the time, and when he does, he still has a certain amount of equity, and sometimes you'll get oversetted.

Anyway, here's a thread that details more about whether 3betting is profitable with 100bb stacks, and you could apply some of the logic that appears towards the end of it to this spot.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...-3bet-1421656/


In all likelihood it's profitable to bet when checked to with atc in a 3bp (due to the ridic higher cbetting frequency of most players in 3bps), so it should be factored in at least in some way.

Ahhh that thread brings back memories.

I think alot of people are forgetting is, how our entire 3bet calling range fares vs their 3bet range. If our entire 3betting calling range consists only of 22-99, then folding is probably the best option because we do need to win stacks EVERYTIME we hit a set, not very likely.
The majority of people prefer to have SC in their 3bet calling range. I prefer PP. But you cannot have both, or otherwise your fold to 3bet will be around 5%.
I suppose you can have a mixed strategy, but that just complicates things, and people always deviate from complicated things.

So what you're saying is that if your 3bet calling range is only PPs, folding every time is the best option. And your own calling range is PPs. So in your own opinion, you should be folding instead of calling with the range that you use. Well done, sir.

No.

What I said was if your calling range is only 22-99, folding every time is the best option. My own calling range is not just 22-99. So in my opinion I would not be folding instead of calling with my range. Well done, sir, with your reading comprehension.

You like twisting people's words much?

Obv troll was obv. And yes to your last statement; I find it amusing. Btw, saying that you should only call with PPs or with SCs is ridiculous. You should call with any hand that has a positive expectation. So if you can profit by calling both, then you should call both. Also, lol @ only having a 5% ft3b if we call both.

OK. That just about sums you up.
Been nice talking to you, idiot.